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Before I explain, this is not a flame thread nor is it meant to discredit any type of display but it's something I was wondering since I'm now looking for a new LCD or Plasma display for Boxing Day (best sales of the year in Canada).


Let me give a little background beforehand.


I currently own a working-as-good-as-new Panasonic Tau CT-34WX54 that has been my main set since 2004. I've never had an issue with the TV and still marvel at the picture quality to this day in various applications.


When I first bought the set, rear projection LCD sets were the rage as flat panel displays were quite expensive. I was with my brother at Future Shop as we both went TV hunting that day. He wanted a larger set and bought a Sony RP-LCD while I was adamant in a 34" CRT since. It was between a Sony, Panasonic and Toshiba model side by side and displaying the same content. The Sony was $200 more and although I don't remember the model, I'm quite sure it wasn't the XBR960 since, to me, it didn't look any better than the Panny. My decision was between the Panny and Toshiba since they were both the same price ($2000 at the time) and I settled on the Panny since I've always liked they're Tau's and even their older GAOO line of TVs.


It goes without saying that the set looked obviously better that my brother's new Sony, especially in the contrast and motion blur areas.


Now, pretty much everything looks good on the set, as most who post in this section can attest. SD, Progressive Scan, HD, you name it. Angles aren't an issue, black is BLACK, no motion blur in HD, no refresh rate issues, no input lag, no burn in worries In other words, nothing that is now a buying concern with the current technologies.


Like I said earlier, I'm in the market for a second TV set and still can't decide between either technology. I've narrowed my selections to either the Toshiba 47VX700U or the Panasonic TC-P50G25. I've seen both and both have impressed me but of course, each has it's advantages and disadvantages based on the inherent technology.


Now, taking into account the drawbacks to a CRT display, first and foremost the geometry issues, this is my hypothetical question:


If a CRT could be designed to be as slim yet reach the same sizes as the current technologies, which set would you get?


This is purely based on picture quality and input options, nothing else. I don't take into account power consumption (how many here have a monster stereo receiver along with their big screen?)


It's just that, I've never had to deal with the issues I'm dealing with now when shopping for a CRT.


Just a thought.
 

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If a CRT could be designed to be as slim yet reach the same sizes as the current technologies, which set would you get?

since it can't, it's not even a worthwhile "thought exercise"....
 

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Well, CRT's still off ther best motion. As for color, same deal although I'm guessing alot of these high end 2010 plasmas may beable to produce the same thing, Samsung especially comes to mind. As for black levels, Plasma's have come a long way so there are no worries there.


I'm just wondering when Plasma's will beable to 'match' CRT motion, because that seems to be overlooked whith these new displays, it's always higher contrast ratio's, better black levels and color.
 

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it's always higher contrast ratio's, better black levels and color.

And lower life expectancy, especially true for plasma.
 

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CRT is still king.. Still gives the most film like reproduction. I have a Sony 42inch LCD & my father has a 61inch DLP 1080p.... I just bought the XBR910 for 80.00... It easily beats the other displays in many areas.. Minus the higher resolution of my fathers DLP.. Tube technology is tried & true & has been perfected.. You will never see another TV technology last as long as tube technology.. The best direct view HD CRTs embarrass most plasmas/LCD/LED in certain areas.. Motion.. Refresh rate come to mind.. & if you want to get a non CRT with CRT like black levels you better get out your wallet, especially if it's LCD. 6-8 grand.. I bought the hype.. I thought LCD & 720p was better then my 'obsolete' 26inch HD CRT.. Well.. It wasn't.. I think the Pioneer Kuros come the closest to bettering the best direct view ever made.. the 960 or the RCA 38inch behemoth..


On a side note, my father's Panny he bought in 1990 still works perfectly to this day.. His DLP broke in a yr.. CRT's are more reliable as well..


I will always have a CRT in my home until other technologies catch up...I will buy a 960 or the Panasonic the op mentioned in a heart beat over any display 34inches & under...


They are too heavy.. Boo hoo.. Cry me a frickin river..
 

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I've been keeping an eye on the flat panel displays over the years as I sit at home with my KV-36XBR800 Sony Trinitron WEGA with 5.1 sound system and stand in the basement and my Sony Trinitron 36" CRT(non HD) in the family room (don't know model number). Every time I go and check out the newer, bigger, "better" televisions at my local retailers I just shake my head and walk away. When I tell my friends that I don't think any new sets match my old CRT picture I get nothing but funny looks. I've researched and viewed all of the populer brands and technologies including front projection. Although I am not able to find many front projections setup in the stores in my area for comparison.


I logged in today to ask if anyone had any suggestions on where to look for a large format tv for sale today that could at least match what I'm watching now. I mostly watch football and blu-ray movies, no games. I was blown away watching Avatar on blu-ray on the XBR.


Two reasons I want a new TV are: size, and size. I'm getting ready to remodel my basement and would like a 60" plus 16:9 less than 2 ft. deep. I will say that I agree with another posting that the weight is not a factor. Neither of my current sets have been moved since they were set down when I first got them.


Is there any hope for my basement remodel?
 

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So glad the question was raised.


I am the proud owner of the Sony KD34XBR960 and would not trade it for any new flat screen produced today, no matter how much bigger the screen size. I will not put down Plasma, LCD, LED, DLP, etc. for those do produce beautiful pictures in their own right, but still lack the punch one gets from CRT.


Too bad most people's experience with CRT has been with standard definition. They would then know what they are missing. Bigger screens are all the rage and I won't deny being floored when seeing the 55 inch LED in HD in our office..., however, it's with the size I'm floored about, not the picture quality. Even though flat panel sets are finally achieving black and contrast ratios that might match CRT, there is more than that which makes the picture jump out at you. Unlike CRT, there is no depth perception and all individuals and things seem un-naturally cardboard flat and right on top of one another. The bigger the picture, the worse it seems. There is also the lack of the very fine detail that the cathoid tube brings out - minute facial blemishes and stubble, that appears smoothed over on our 32 inch LCD in the den. And watching a properly calibrated CRT still seems like looking out a window and more natural.


It's because CRTs are bulky and heavy that we get that perception of depth. It's because LCDs, Plasmas, etc are flat that we get that perception of well...., a flat picture. Again, not knocking flat panels as much as praising CRT.


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I dunno if CRT is the superior display, but I prefer it. I have not seen a LCD or plasma display in a long time. I haven't owned one since selling my Sony LCD 1080i TV set a while back. I don't shop for TVs so I haven't seen any on the display floor either. I replaced the LCD with a Sony 910 a couple or three years ago.


My PC monitor is also CRT. A few years ago I picked up a nice Sammy LCD to replace my outmoded CRT and was shocked to find the old CRT to be a far better display! So after a couple of weeks I returned the Sammy to Best Buy and decided to upgrade to a better CRT. The first one was a Viewsonic p225f, then I upgraded to the Sony GDM FW900, which is what I have now. I got all my CRTs off craigslist.


Having CRTs is fun because they are so much cheaper to buy and the picture seems so superior. Of course this is all subjective, just my personal opinion.


The other thing is LCDs may have come a long way since I sold mine, like I say I haven't been looking after them. I know this, any LCD has a lot to live up to beating this awesome FW900 display
 

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don't forget for gamers especially there is no delay like in LCD's, and the flexibility you have to change the resolution to your liking without distortion problems. The reason why many hardcore PC gamers especially still swear by CRT's. IMHO the only place they are beat are in weight and space requirments which actually have nothing to do with the display itself.
 

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I record many films off HD stations (HBO, TCM-HD) etc. onto DVD-R (output from my DVR via S-video to a Panasonic recorder) and they look great played back up-converted to 1080i on the Sony CRT (between 8 - 8.5 compared to the original HD broadcast). However, they look awful when played at 1080p on my LCD in the den (harsh picture with choppy movement) which isn't the case with pre-recorded DVDs. On the LCD, the output has to be 480p (which is still good but still, not up-converted).


I've been told by a few that CRTs not being fixed pixel can handle this type of down-converted and up-converted playback whereas a flat screen can't. Is this true or does someone have any other ideasas to why?
 

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CRT is still king.. Still gives the most film like reproduction. I have a Sony 42inch LCD & my father has a 61inch DLP 1080p.... I just bought the XBR910 for 80.00... It easily beats the other displays in many areas.. Minus the higher resolution of my fathers DLP.. Tube technology is tried & true & has been perfected.. You will never see another TV technology last as long as tube technology.. The best direct view HD CRTs embarrass most plasmas/LCD/LED in certain areas.. Motion.. Refresh rate come to mind.. & if you want to get a non CRT with CRT like black levels you better get out your wallet, especially if it's LCD. 6-8 grand.. I bought the hype.. I thought LCD & 720p was better then my 'obsolete' 26inch HD CRT.. Well.. It wasn't.. I think the Pioneer Kuros come the closest to bettering the best direct view ever made.. the 960 or the RCA 38inch behemoth..


On a side note, my father's Panny he bought in 1990 still works perfectly to this day.. His DLP broke in a yr.. CRT's are more reliable as well..


I will always have a CRT in my home until other technologies catch up...I will buy a 960 or the Panasonic the op mentioned in a heart beat over any display 34inches & under...


They are too heavy.. Boo hoo.. Cry me a frickin river..

great post KBI and others i agree

i too will always have a CRT in my home because SD just looks better on one. and i have lots of vhs and dvds. just like b&w looks better on a b&w only sets (yes i'm old lol) have a Philips HD 16:9 crt in the kitchen and it rocks. still watch my 18 years young Mit's 40'' crt almost daily

but after reading about HD for 20 years bought a mit's dlp 62'' 5 years ago and have been happy with it, even at the hi $$$$ spent at that time. watch mostly 98% sports. and will be going 3D very soon and it will be a mit's dlp too. and still watch for PQ, size and $$$ you can not beat it imho
 

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CRT will just become that much cheaper when 3D becomes main stream.. 1080p is another reason CRT are so cheap along with the bulk.. I will stock up on the 30inch955/960.. I did see a display that bettered the 960, but it was a 46inch LCD/LED & was 8,000! Samsungs flagship model.. Never seen a picture so grand, maybe even bettering the Kuros.. But displays 34inch & under, nothing tops crt by a long shot.. Minus the 12inch SED display that Sony released for 2,000 in 08..
 

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Originally Posted by Argentina94 /forum/post/19617058


I currently own a working-as-good-as-new Panasonic Tau CT-34WX54 that has been my main set since 2004. I've never had an issue with the TV and still marvel at the picture quality to this day in various applications.

OK, mine is not working quite as good as new, the HDMI input is not functional and composite 1 & 2 are dark, but I too marvel at the picture quality. I've only had it for a week after miraculously finding it for free on craigslist. I hope my face didn't reveal too much of my "you must be crazy" thinking when I went to pick it up. Finally I have a television that looks great in HD and SD! Netflix and Blu-ray are wonderful through the composite inputs.

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i too will always have a CRT in my home because SD just looks better on one. and i have lots of vhs and dvds.

Yes, but I suppose "always" will be limited to the life span of sets currently in existence.
 

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CRT will just become that much cheaper when 3D becomes main stream.. 1080p is another reason CRT are so cheap along with the bulk.. I will stock up on the 30inch955/960.. I did see a display that bettered the 960, but it was a 46inch LCD/LED & was 8,000! Samsungs flagship model.. Never seen a picture so grand, maybe even bettering the Kuros.. But displays 34inch & under, nothing tops crt by a long shot.. Minus the 12inch SED display that Sony released for 2,000 in 08..

Most major companies have stopped producing CRTs for sale in the U.S. for some time now - the small 4x3 non-HD monitors are virtually all LCD and the CRTs that can be found are mostly older models. There is a big boom, however, in the sale of CRTs in developing third world nations where many now are able to afford their first television set, but those are not 1080i. But even at $8,000, I still wonder if LCD/LED technology can produce the natural picture depth of a CRT


Have read articles where CRT monitors are still being used professionally by many in the video industry.
 

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I remember reading an article a few years ago about the BBC purchasing all the remaining stock of Sony's Professional line of CRT video monitors (PVM series I believe) upon hearing that Sony was ending production of CRTs entirely. Says a lot about how important CRTs are in professional broadcasting and the superiority of CRT in general. Still a shame they aren't made anymore, seems there would always be some demand in Pro circles and even a niche community with gamers and those of us who still prefer CRTs.
 

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A variant of laser displays will be very very close to CRT, so don't worry its about coming back.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1216033
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Sony GDM FW900

I got one of those, can't wait for it to arrive. Nvidia 3d vision said to work very well with that.


DLP3d+ huge curved silverscreen for the extra brightness, and fully flat CRT 3d:


Looks like I will be set until phosphor+ laser displays arrive .
 

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So after two weeks with my "new" (to me) Panasonic Tau CT-34WX54, I find myself watching it more than my 50" Insignia plasma and 46" Sony LCD. I continue to marvel at the PQ using my Zenith DTT901 CECB using composite out. I keep reminding myself - this is 480i! It doesn't look like any 480i I have ever seen. I guess it speaks well to the quality of broadcast television as well. I get my face up close to the screen and still can't see any scan lines. I assume the progressive line-doubler in the set is responsible - man, what a picture! It rivals the plasma for color depth, and frankly makes the LCD look weak in that regard. I would lay money that most people would walk into the room and immediately assume they were looking at an HD picture. When watching a Blu-ray or Netflix in actual HD at 1080i, it looks even better.


I can tell my wife doesn't believe that I got this set for free, because she will look at the screen for a bit and ask "Did you really get this for free? How?" Fortunately our son helped me pick it up and can corroborate my story!


For me the unanswerable but intriguing question is "What would CRT sets look like today if development had continued?" It's too bad that we will never really know.
 
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