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I received my February copy of Home Theater Magazine. They did a review of the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Add-on and gave it a score of 88. It was written by Chris Chiarella. In his Conclusion Statement he writes:

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I wouldn't recommend that the HD DVD-curious buy the Xbox 360 and the supplemental drive instead of the standalone player...

He does a nice write-up on his dealings with the add-on and clearly he prefers the standalone players. I can not find a link to this review yet. If I do, I will post it here.


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And yet he gave it an 88.


So instead of putting your spin on it by only quoting one line that fits what you want to say, why not post a couple quotes about the actual review itself.


Apparently if he gave it an 88 then it's got to be a good review.
 

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Of course this one persons opinion...I have seen the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Add-ON in full swing and I was surprised how good it looked on a Sony SXRD2...I have no way to compare to my A2...if I was a Xbox360 owner I would purchase the add on in a second for $199 or less.
 

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Originally Posted by beatboy77 /forum/post/0


I received my February copy of Home Theater Magazine. They did a review of the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Add-on and gave it a score of 88. It was written by Chris Chiarella. In his Conclusion Statement he writes:




He does a nice write-up on his dealings with the add-on and clearly he prefers the standalone players. I can not find a link to this review yet. If I do, I will post it here.


~Josh

It received a very good rating, and at 88 he must have really liked it quite a bit. The point was that if you do not yet have an XBox 360 and don't care about games, then he recommended that you get a stand alone HD DVD player instead of purchasing both the 360 and the HD DVD add-on. Heck, even I would suggest that! LOL.


An 88 rating will often receive an "Editor's Choice" award from many publications.
 

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And yet he gave it an 88.


So instead of putting your spin on it by only quoting one line that fits what you want to say, why not post a couple quotes about the actual review itself.


Apparently if he gave it an 88 then it's got to be a good review.

I am putting no spin on it, I am just reporting that there is a review of it in HTM. The 360 Add-on was personally my favorite HD-DVD because it is faster then all the others.


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I just read this the other day. Was a good review. And I agree with the quote in the OP. No one should go out and spend $500 for the 360 + add-on if they are looking to play HD DVD's, when you can get a stand-alone player for $500 or less.


All in all, I think I would rate mine somewhere around an 80; mainly on value as an xbox 360 owner. Once they get the audio fixed, my rating would jump much higher.
 

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well of course if you just want hd dvd and don't play games its a dumb buy . Esp when you can get a stand alone for 400$ now .



However for 360 owners who want high def , its a must buy . Of course you loose out on the newer sound codecs . But you get the drive with a movie for 200$
 

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It is also a must buy for HTPC owners.
 

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They had no other Blu-ray player to compare it to. Note though that they did say "Regardless of what is causing the problems, it's [the Samsung player] not as sharp as HD DVD" and that it "Works just like a fairly slow DVD player". They even noted that "HD DVD is half the price and looks a lot better."
 

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Originally Posted by petmic10 /forum/post/0


I wouldn't trust Home Theater Mag after their review of the Samsung

BD-P1000 BluRay player.

Samsung BD-P1000 Review


I am the owner of an HD-XA2 so I support HD DVD and i think the XBOX add on

is a terrific deal for the money.

You can't trust Home Theater's review, considering it is shocking if they give anything less than an 85. And much like the Samsung Blu-Ray review where the rip the thing to shreds in complaints, and then to go on to give it a review in the 80's.


I own a 360 HD DVD, and for the price it is OK. The reason I say OK, is because the part they are missing, is huge. My sound budget far exceeds the price of my Panasonic PT-AE900 projector. So to have the sound compressed for dolby digital plus tracks is a major piss off. For now, I will only watch HD DVD's that have Tru HD soundtracks, as I am a sound guy. The picture is stunning, and there is no doubt about that. But when it sounds like TV speakers for an Apollo 13 launch ( a little exaggeration of course), I am not impressed.


So the end of the rant is, what was stated above, you can't trust Home Theater's reviews. Once Microsoft fixes the sound issues, shoot this player up into the 90's as it is one heck of a bargain.
 

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Bauer83 said:
For now, I will only watch HD DVD's that have Tru HD soundtracks, as I am a sound guy.
If you were truly a sound guy you wouldve bought a dedicated player where you can hear the TrueHD tracks in their uncompressed glory.
 

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Stand alones can't play games. A Xbox or PS3 at least will play their games when the discussion settles. In this, they have their advantages.
 

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Of course this one persons opinion...I have seen the Xbox 360 HD-DVD Add-ON in full swing and I was surprised how good it looked on a Sony SXRD2...I have no way to compare to my A2...if I was a Xbox360 owner I would purchase the add on in a second for $199 or less.

I have also seen the 360 add-on at a friend's house (I calibrated is HDTV for him after he got the add-on) on a Samsung 56" DLP and the picture quality was really good. Much better than the way the 360 renders SD DVDs.


If I didn't have a home theater (and didn't plan on buying one in the future) I would buy the 360 add-on. But, since I do, I bought the A1 last July.
 

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So to have the sound compressed for dolby digital plus tracks is a major piss off. For now, I will only watch HD DVD's that have Tru HD soundtracks, as I am a sound guy. The picture is stunning, and there is no doubt about that. But when it sounds like TV speakers for an Apollo 13 launch ( a little exaggeration of course), I am not impressed.


So the end of the rant is, what was stated above, you can't trust Home Theater's reviews. Once Microsoft fixes the sound issues, shoot this player up into the 90's as it is one heck of a bargain.


I actually start to ask myself, if the sound bug is a sound bug at all? A bug is something that you don't want in your program - it is an accident if there is a bug in your program.


Is this bug really an accident? Or is this maybe more a strategic "bug" which means it was planned and intended, so the xbox with addon would produce a sound inferior to SD DVD and thereby does not threaten the business of the Toshiba standalones?


Think about it. We see what happens with the BD standalone players - they rest in peace on the shop shelves because of the PS3. Would Toshiba like their players to collect dust in the shelves? Probably not. So maybe this "sound bug" is nothing else than a deal between Microsoft and Toshiba. I mean we are talking about a Toshiba drive as addon that would be direct competition to Toshiba players - it does make sense that they made a deal, right?


What brings me to this idea is the weird behaviour of Microsoft.


The bug is obviously just a wrong parameter in the dynamic compression setting. Even a cheap $40 SD DVD player allows you to adjust the dynamic compression in the menu - its no magic it is a simple parameter in the codec. So it will be a simple parameter in the DD+ codec as well. On the addon the parameter is set to a certain value. Obviously to the wrong value. The developer of the xbox software could change the parameter probably in 15 minutes.


Why don't they do it? Ah, I see... the DTS update.


But isn't it kind of weird, that they shift the attention of the customer from an easy to solve bug to something very complex that probably takes a loooooong time to get done? What surely everybody understands. So we wait for the DTS update... but hey, we are missing something... there was something before they shifted the focus of our thoughts... yeah - why isn't the bug fixed in the DD version before the faaaar, faaaar away DTS update will come?


Any reason? Tell me one! Ah, I see... the dashboard update... so complex and everything... can't do that for a simple soundbug fix. O.k. - but wasn't there a dashboard update a couple days ago? I mean come on? What is Microsoft trying to pull here?


Why don't they really acknowledge the problem? You ask them about the compression bug fix, they talk about DTS. You ask them if the DTS update fixes the compression bug - they do not answer clearly. They give you vague answers and you still don't know if this DTS update fixes the compression bug. Particular because there does not seem to be a problem with ENcoding, more with DEcoding so one wonders what help a new ENcoder can be.


Where it really starts to feel like the x-files is when several people call on several days their hotline and complain about the compression bug. They always tell, that they have never heard of this bug before....


And can you really believe that Microsoft made this bug by accident? I mean hey, the HD-DVD player seems to be a very, very complex thing. The fact that we enjoy stellar picture quality without any hickups shows that Microsoft really knows what they are doing - and than they are missing on a point that is like stoneage technology? Get out of here! Your kidding. Its like you manage to build a plane and in the end you find out: whoops, we forgot to build the wings! Hey but it still rolls fine on the ground and the seats are so comfortable...


...well maybe - and I really hope so - it is just my imagination that is running away with me and these ideas are maybe all wrong and Microsoft is just behaving weird.
 

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I actually start to ask myself, if the sound bug is a sound bug at all? A bug is something that you don't want in your program - it is an accident if there is a bug in your program.


Is this bug really an accident? Or is this maybe more a strategic "bug" which means it was planned and intended, so the xbox with addon would produce a sound inferior to SD DVD and thereby does not threaten the business of the Toshiba standalones?


Think about it. We see what happens with the BD standalone players - they rest in peace on the shop shelves because of the PS3. Would Toshiba like their players to collect dust in the shelves? Probably not. So maybe this "sound bug" is nothing else than a deal between Microsoft and Toshiba. I mean we are talking about a Toshiba drive as addon that would be direct competition to Toshiba players - it does make sense that they made a deal, right?


What brings me to this idea is the weird behaviour of Microsoft.


The bug is obviously just a wrong parameter in the dynamic compression setting. Even a cheap $40 SD DVD player allows you to adjust the dynamic compression in the menu - its no magic it is a simple parameter in the codec. So it will be a simple parameter in the DD+ codec as well. On the addon the parameter is set to a certain value. Obviously to the wrong value. The developer of the xbox software could change the parameter probably in 15 minutes.


Why don't they do it? Ah, I see... the DTS update.


But isn't it kind of weird, that they shift the attention of the customer from an easy to solve bug to something very complex that probably takes a loooooong time to get done? What surely everybody understands. So we wait for the DTS update... but hey, we are missing something... there was something before they shifted the focus of our thoughts... yeah - why isn't the bug fixed in the DD version before the faaaar, faaaar away DTS update will come?


Any reason? Tell me one! Ah, I see... the dashboard update... so complex and everything... can't do that for a simple soundbug fix. O.k. - but wasn't there a dashboard update a couple days ago? I mean come on? What is Microsoft trying to pull here?


Why don't they really acknowledge the problem? You ask them about the compression bug fix, they talk about DTS. You ask them if the DTS update fixes the compression bug - they do not answer clearly. They give you vague answers and you still don't know if this DTS update fixes the compression bug. Particular because there does not seem to be a problem with ENcoding, more with DEcoding so one wonders what help a new ENcoder can be.


Where it really starts to feel like the x-files is when several people call on several days their hotline and complain about the compression bug. They always tell, that they have never heard of this bug before....


And can you really believe that Microsoft made this bug by accident? I mean hey, the HD-DVD player seems to be a very, very complex thing. The fact that we enjoy stellar picture quality without any hickups shows that Microsoft really knows what they are doing - and than they are missing on a point that is like stoneage technology? Get out of here! Your kidding. Its like you manage to build a plane and in the end you find out: whoops, we forgot to build the wings! Hey but it still rolls fine on the ground and the seats are so comfortable...


...well maybe - and I really hope so - it is just my imagination that is running away with me and these ideas are maybe all wrong and Microsoft is just behaving weird.
 
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