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Do you think and HDR movie as a more dim image? Have you tested the xbox player vs a stand alone UHD?
I have tested yes, but you need to have separate calibration for SDR and HDR.

It's movie per movie (or scene) related issue, not a global fact that HDR movies looked more dimmed.

Commercial Theatrical release mastering is different from HDR mastering which is different from SDR.

The issue with HDR is that it will look different if you have 10x calibrated displays, while in SDR these 10x displays will have tighter matching.

In HDR, the internal display tone/gamut mapping is affecting the final results, it will need some years to pass, so companies will left from their mistakes and improve their internal programming.
 

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The issue with HDR is that it will look different if you have 10x calibrated displays, while in SDR these 10x displays will have tighter matching.

In HDR, the internal display tone/gamut mapping is affecting the final results, it will need some years to pass, so companies will left from their mistakes and improve their internal programming.
So i have a KS8000 samsung, the same HDR movie can look different on a Sony ou Panny even if they are all professional calibrated ?

If that is the case, i hate my tv with HDR movies and Games lol

Btw are you a professional colorist or tv calibrator? just wandering :p
 

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So i have a KS8000 samsung, the same HDR movie can look different on a Sony ou Panny even if they are all professional calibrated ?

If that is the case, i hate my tv with HDR movies and Games lol

Btw are you a professional colorist or tv calibrator? just wandering :p
Yes, they will look differently, since it's TV has internally different gamut/tone mapping and each TV has different peak output.

See there for more info about HDR: http://www.lightillusion.com/uhdtv.html + http://www.lightillusion.com/hdr_calibration.html

BTW there thread about HDR to the Display Calibration area of the forum: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/2130474-hdr-calibration-discussion.html

You can say that I'm deeply involved to calibration world. ;) ...See my signature, I have designed a calibration disk @ 2013 where you can calibrate up to 9261 colors without user prompt from a blu-ray disk without using an external pattern generator, to take in idea. ;)
 

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This is not the correct forum for disc authoring, mastering, display calibration, etc. Please continue in the correct forum areas.
 

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Hi, there 3 monitor that current HDR10 movies are being mastered:

Sony BVM-X300 30inch 2160p OLED (1000/1.100nits)
Dolby Pulsar Monitor 42inch 1080p (Direct LED) (4.000nits)
SIM2 HDR47ES4MB 47inch 1080p LED (4.000nits)

From the infoframe metadata I have from 105 UHD Movies:

51 titles mastered @ 4.000nits
42 titles mastered @ 1.000nits
10 titles mastered @ 1.100nits
02 titles doesn't have any metadata.....
You may want to use commas "," instead of periods "." when posting those nit numbers. It will confuse us poor Americans who see that as only 4 nits, 1 nit and 1.1 nits instead of the intended 4,000 nits, 1,000 nits, etc. ;)

....HDR is specification for consumer display, not for projection, there no specifications for consumer HDR projection playback, we are using workarounds with multipliers and tricks......
You can say that again!!! You should see my personal 4K HDR/WCG tweaks in the Sony VPL-VW550/675ES thread! Absolutely nothing like what I would set and calibrate to in 1080p SDR bt709, but the end results are pretty stunning actually! :eek:

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This is not the correct forum for disc authoring, mastering, display calibration, etc. Please continue in the correct forum areas.
Oh sorry, I replied before I got to this point in the thread! :eek: Let me know if you'd like me to delete it?
 

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We'll move on from here: Continue in the HDR, display, or calibration forums depending on the topic. Please stick to the X-Box.
 
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You may want to use commas "," instead of periods "." when posting those nit numbers. It will confuse us poor Americans who see that as only 4 nits, 1 nit and 1.1 nits instead of the intended 4,000 nits, 1,000 nits, etc.
Thanks for reminding this issue with regions. I will do this to any future post :)

You can say that again!!! You should see my personal 4K HDR/WCG tweaks in the Sony VPL-VW550/675ES thread! Absolutely nothing like what I would set and calibrate to in 1080p SDR bt709, but the end results are pretty stunning actually!
There a lot of tweaks with 3D LUT for HDR here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...000-x7000-owners-thread-566.html#post48344905 or http://www.lightillusion.com/lut_manual.html#source_colour_space

 

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An HDR dim Samsung, check this out

SERIOUS NOTE! For those having video that is too dim! Check the following.
Standard: Every Input's Eco Solutions is a separate entity, and so therefore, each and everyone of them has to be turned Off!
Standard HDR is also a separate entity from Standard, and it's Eco Solutions also must also be turned Off!
Movie Mode is separate from Standard, also check for normal and HDR usage re the Eco Solutions.
 

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Dual HDMI?

I am wondering if there is a reasonably priced dual HDMI 4K HDCP 2.2 splitter, that will pass a UHD HDR 4K signal through one side and whatever is needed to pass an Atmos – DTS-X audio signal through the other.

There are plenty of people who have receivers that are not able to pass through a 2.2 signal and/or have their UHD Blu-rays hooked to their TVs and are unable to play a Dolby Atmos disk. Not all UHD Blu-ray players have dual hdmi output like the Oppo. The X-box one s is one example.
 

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I am wondering if there is a reasonably priced dual HDMI 4K HDCP 2.2 splitter, that will pass a UHD HDR 4K signal through one side and whatever is needed to pass an Atmos – DTS-X audio signal through the other.

There are plenty of people who have receivers that are not able to pass through a 2.2 signal and/or have their UHD Blu-rays hooked to their TVs and are unable to play a Dolby Atmos disk. Not all UHD Blu-ray players have dual hdmi output like the Oppo. The X-box one s is one example.
HI, I was searching for the same and I finally got the HD Fury Integral which is doing the job very well. I'm using it to have 2 outputs from XBOX One S, one to go directly to TV for HDR 4K movies and the other to go thru eeColor 3D LUT Box -> TV for normal Blu-Ray.

It has BT application for iPhone also; where you can check the signal and do any adjustments you like real-time.

If you look for other models, be sure that it's supporting HDCP 2.2
 

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HI, I was searching for the same and I finally got the HD Fury Integral which is doing the job very well. I'm using it to have 2 outputs from XBOX One S, one to go directly to TV for HDR 4K movies and the other to go thru eeColor 3D LUT Box -> TV for normal Blu-Ray.

It has BT application for iPhone also; where you can check the signal and do any adjustments you like real-time.

If you look for other models, be sure that it's supporting HDCP 2.2
Thanks - I will check that out.

Update on this post here: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/2171745-hdfury-integral-130.html

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I am cross-posting this from the Denon 2016 receiver thread in hopes of getting an answer...


I need some help with my Passengers UHD disc. My setup:

Denon X2300W
Xbox One S
5.1.2 speaker setup with the .2 configured as upward Atmos speakers.
LG C65P OLED

The Xbox One S is set up to output Bitstream via the Insider program. I've confirmed it can output Dolby Atmos using the Star Trek: Beyond UHD. Other BR discs also properly output DTS-MA, etc. including the Passengers BR disc.

However, when I attempt to play the Passengers UHD (also Dolby Atmos), I am getting no sound. The 2300W is reporting an audio input of "unknown", although it shows 9 speakers as the input source.

Any ideas as to what's going on? Anyone else have the Passengers UHD, an Xbox One, and able to replicate?



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Hello Everyone,

I own an Xbox One-S and a 4K TV, however my 4K TV is unfortunately not HDR-capable (LG 60UF7300 - I made the mistake of purchasing it right before HDR took off :(). While my TV is not capable of HDR, it does at least have a 10-bit deep color panel which the Xbox One-S recognizes.

I'm very interested in Planet Earth II in 4k, but I'm worried about what type of HDR - SDR conversion the Xbox One-S might apply to the Planet Earth II UHD discs. Even with this variable, is it safe to say that it should still look better than the normal blu-ray version, simply due to the increase in resolution and (possibly) the 10-bit expanded color? Or would the processing involved in downgrading the picture to standard dynamic range negate the benefits of having the UHD copy?

Thanks very much for any help.
 

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I have tested yes, but you need to have separate calibration for SDR and HDR.

It's movie per movie (or scene) related issue, not a global fact that HDR movies looked more dimmed.

Commercial Theatrical release mastering is different from HDR mastering which is different from SDR.

The issue with HDR is that it will look different if you have 10x calibrated displays, while in SDR these 10x displays will have tighter matching.

In HDR, the internal display tone/gamut mapping is affecting the final results, it will need some years to pass, so companies will left from their mistakes and improve their internal programming.
I agree, a long while for sure !!
 

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HI, I was searching for the same and I finally got the HD Fury Integral which is doing the job very well. I'm using it to have 2 outputs from XBOX One S, one to go directly to TV for HDR 4K movies and the other to go thru eeColor 3D LUT Box -> TV for normal Blu-Ray.

It has BT application for iPhone also; where you can check the signal and do any adjustments you like real-time.

If you look for other models, be sure that it's supporting HDCP 2.2
Thank you sir, I will be giving it a try also...
 

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HI, I was searching for the same and I finally got the HD Fury Integral which is doing the job very well. I'm using it to have 2 outputs from XBOX One S, one to go directly to TV for HDR 4K movies and the other to go thru eeColor 3D LUT Box -> TV for normal Blu-Ray.

It has BT application for iPhone also; where you can check the signal and do any adjustments you like real-time.

If you look for other models, be sure that it's supporting HDCP 2.2
Maybe I am misreading the answer I received on the HD Fury Integral thread. I think I was told that in order to get the X-box one s to play UHD and Atmos with my system, I would pay $200 for the HD Fury Integral and $200 for a linker, so $400.
 

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Maybe I am misreading the answer I received on the HD Fury Integral thread. I think I was told that in order to get the X-box one s to play UHD and Atmos with my system, I would pay $200 for the HD Fury Integral and $200 for a linker, so $400.
Hi, you AVR don't support HDCP 2.2, so you have to send HDCP 1.4 for the sound.

HD Fury Integral has 2 outputs, the top can be configured to be 2.2 or 1.4, the bottom is always 1.4.

If you use the Top Output to send directly to Display and the bottom to send to AVR (for the sound), the AVR don't support HDR/REC.2020, so this probably will force the XBOX to downgrade to REC.709 without HDR, but since I haven't tested something similar, the official HD Fury reply is always more accurate.

I used HD Intergral to get 2 video outputs, not tested audio because it was not available Atmos capable AVR.
 

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Maybe I am misreading the answer I received on the HD Fury Integral thread. I think I was told that in order to get the X-box one s to play UHD and Atmos with my system, I would pay $200 for the HD Fury Integral and $200 for a linker, so $400.
HD Fury Integral will not down down-convert the signal from 4K to 1080P to be compatible with input to receiver. The HD Fury Linker is needed for that. The HD Fury Integral will downconvert HDMI spec to be compatible with legacy equipment. I tried getting Integral to work with my PS4 Pro and Yamaha RX-A2000 prior to finally upgrading to RX-A2050 that supports 4K. Talking to HD Fury, they said I would need the linker as well to get this to work so I could pass the video via HDMI 2.0 input to TV via Integral and downconvert via the Integral HDMI 1.4 output to 1080P for the receiver. In its current state without video downconversion, the receiver gets confused and doesn't output anything.
 

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I don't know if I have done anything wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me if I am.


My current set up is a Panasonic CX700 which is non-hdr. I have the xbox 1 s which is directly connected to the tv with a digital optical cable for audio. (my AVR is 1.4 not 2.2)


I was very excited about purchasing The Revenant which I understood was filmed in 8k. I was eager about comparing it as of course the UHD comes with the blu ray too. So I loaded up the film, UHD in xbox and the blu ray in the PS3.


I was waiting for that "wow" moment but in truth I struggled to see a big difference between picture quality. it was tough to see if the 4K version was any better at all to be honest. I have followed the picture perfect guide from this site for my TV so both outputs have the same picture spec on them.


Is this because the difference is nominal and that you really need HDR to get that wow moment? Or is the xbox 1 S a poor 4k player. Or is it an unfair comparison? in that to properly compare I should set up the PS3 on a full HD TV and not a 4k TV?


many thanks
 
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