[jeffgun]

Hello All,


I just got a new Mits WS-55613 yesterday and I am running my DVD player and my HD cable box into my RX-V1400 via the component inputs and then running component monitor out to the Mits. When the DVD is playing I cannot get the OSD for the 1400 to come up but if I stop the disc I can. Very weird. Also no OSD when I am watching cable. Anyone else experienced this?

Thanks in advance for any help.


-Jeff

 

[mikelike2]

The OSD function of the receiver is in the Interlaced format. You didn't say if your component input on your new Mits can accept an interlaced signal. Some sets have seperate component inputs for progressive vs interlaced. It's probably something you can work around.

 

[SMac770]

I played around with this last night and here's what I saw. I can't entirely determine what your problem was due to a lack of details about what you were seeing and what's hooked up to what how.


If you have the Comp OSD setting On in the Display Set options, then when you turn on the Menu, the outgoing component signal will be a 480i conversion of whatever is on the s-video/composite inputs for the selected source, overlaid with the OSD.


So if you're watching 720p out from your HDTV tuner, and then hit Menu, your TV is now receiving a 480i signal showing the OSD, and the converted signal from the s-video/composite inputs if connected. Which happens even if you have the V Conv option set to off. Odd.


So I assume that when you were selecting the OSD, you were seeing nothing on the screen. Your description would seem to imply you saw nothing unusual, that your picture was still showing just fine, but no overlaid OSD, which can't be the case, because the 1400 doesn't pass the input component signal when the OSD is on and the Comp OSD option is enabled.

 

[jeffgun]

The main menu will come up but if I am adjusting the volume or changing the surround mode, etc., nothing. Sorry if I was not clear about that.

I am not sure where I have the Comp OSD set on the receiver (I am at work right now) but I will check when I get home and update. Thanks for the feedback.

You know, now that I think about it, I do have an S-VHS VCR hooked up to the 1400 via S-Video. I will try bringing up the OSD with it running and see if it works.


-Jeff

 

[jeffgun]

Component OSD is on and it does work when I am playing a videotape. The TV does accept interlaced signals on that input otherwise I would not have seen any picture when I played the tape so I am still baffled.

Any other suggestions??

 

[SMac770]

Well, the VCR is connected via s-video. I'd expect no problems there at all. The incoming signal is 480i s-video, over which the OSD is laid, and then upconverted to 480i component.


Is the DVD player outputting 480p or 480i?

What is your HDTV tuenr set to output?

There are no s-video or composite connections on the input selections to which the component inputs are mapped?


Your TV will accept 1080i, 480p, and 480i.


If you are watching a DVD or HD and you hit Menu and there's no s-video or composite signal on that input, the screen should go gray and show the OSD Menu, in 480i.


Maybe the TV isn't shifting gears to the 480i if you're on something higher when playing a DVD or DTV. But then again, the screen should still be going blank. There's no way the receiver is passing the input component signal when you've selected the OSD Menu.


Do you have a 2nd display you can hook up via S-vid to the receiver so you can know the Menu has actually been selected?

 

[jeffgun]

DVD is outputting 480p and HDTV box is outputting 1080i. Again, the menu comes up fine but if I am just adjusting the volume, adjusting the levels for an individual speaker or switching surround modes I get nothing on the screen. Apparently the receiver cannot display the 480i OSD without completely overriding the video signal coming from the source.

I guess I will just have to either look at the display on the 1400 to see where I am when I am making adjustments or run a separate S cable out of the receiver to a 2nd input on the TV to see it on the screen but that pretty much defeats the purpose as far as I am concerned. Not that big a deal I guess, just annoying.

Thanks for your input everyone, I appreciate it.

 

[SMac770]

Ah, ok. You're talking about the OSD pop-ups. I don't run any of my component through my receiver normally, so I never even look for those. So I was thinking you were talking about the menu.


Yeah, I would believe the pop-ups cannot be overlaid, same as why the menu is a 480i blank screen rather than overlaid the incoming signal.

 

[CCarncross]

The Yamaha OSD popups are only displayed when you are using an interlaced source, might even be limited to non-HD sources.


I dont think any manufacturer does it any differently.

 

[bhchan]

on my 5790 (internally equivalent to the 1400) upconverting everything to the single component connection to my TV, the OSD shows up only when the source comes from S-video or lower (ie, my PS2 and cable box)

from a component input (my DVD player) i have the choice of either overriding the screen with a grey backgound and the menu, or nothing, and can only see changes via the 5790's front panel.


This seems to be the 'correct' behavior, as the yammy does not seem to be able to upconvert the OSD signal to component.

 

[jeffgun]

Yeah, that seems to be the case, like it or not .

Since I bought my 1400 I have not kept up with some of the new Yamaha gear, what's the difference between the HTR-5790 and the RX-V1500? For that matter what is the difference between the HTR line and the RXV line? Just curious as they look the same on paper and the Yamaha site was not updated to include the HTR stuff the last time I looked.

 

[CCarncross]

RXV line is sold through authorized retail, HTR is sold through whoever will carry it. BUt seriuosly its kinda like that, there is pretty much a correspnding HTR model for every RXV model out there.

 

[bhchan]

and IIRC, HTR line is hidden in the yammy site over in the home theater package area.

yammy's own faq pretty much says that it's a sales channel difference, as Carncross noted.

 

[jeffgun]

Gotcha. Thanks.