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For my single sub, I EQ first in the MiniDSP and then run YPAO. That allows YPAO to set an accurate sub level that reflects the MiniDSP sub EQ.

For dual subs with the 20x0 or higher (that set separate levels and distances for 2 subs), I would run YPAO first to get the individual levels and distances right then EQ the combined response in the MiniDSP and finally increase the 2 subs levels equally to taste or combined output of 75dB if using REW SPL meter tool.

Also be sure to disable any sub PEQ in the Yamaha manual speaker setup menu before running sweeps in REW for MiniDSP sub EQ. You can do that by setting PEQ to Through or copying YPAO flat or natural to manual and zeroing the PEQ gains for each sub in the Yamaha manual PEQ menu.
Great advice, this is actually what I did yesterday:

1. I had my YPAO calibration set everything.
2. Ran REW measurements with the EQ set to through.
3. Used REW+MiniDSP and adjusted the subs EQ.
4. Restored the YPAO EQ, but copied the Flat settings to Manual and zeroed out the Sub EQ parameters YPAO originally set.

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Remember you might need to turn up both sub levels equally after the MiniDSP EQ, because it will lower the overall level and you want to compensate for that.
 

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Great advice, this is actually what I did yesterday:

1. I had my YPAO calibration set everything.
2. Ran REW measurements with the EQ set to through.
3. Used REW+MiniDSP and adjusted the subs EQ.
4. Restored the YPAO EQ, but copied the Flat settings to Manual and zeroed out the Sub EQ parameters YPAO originally set.

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Could I put the measurement results with REW?
 

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Remember you might need to turn up both sub levels equally after the MiniDSP EQ, because it will lower the overall level and you want to compensate for that.
Thanks for that suggestion. I went through and did that this morning and bumped up the sub levels to match the mains.

Is -0db on volume equal to 80 db?

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Unlike Audyssey, YPAO does most of the heavy lifting with the first measurement where it sets delay, crossover and creates an impulse response and then EQ's. Subsequent measurement positions are for setting and optimizing the surround sound and channel levels for multiple seating positions and no further EQ is initiated. If you notice a difference between measuring one position vs. multiple, it is simply because the channel levels are different. Notice that you perform the angle and height measurements in one position only.

Also, as stated in the owners manual: If you perform the multi-measure, the speaker settings will be optimized for you to enjoy surround sound in a wider space. and if you will have several listening positions and you want others to enjoy surround sound.

The speaker settings are not EQ, it would not be possible for YPAO to take the results of 8 measurement positions, calculate and apply correction to 6-11 channels so that wherever you sat in this room, you would hear a near flat response (which is not the intention of YPAO anyway). I understand that there is belief that using all 8 possible measurement positions may provide you with a "better" in room frequency response, and that may be true with Audyssey and Dirac but it is not with YPAO as YPAO is simply adjusting the channels levels for multiple seating positions once past the first measurement. This has been tested in the past and it is here somewhere in the Yamaha receivers threads, I believe the 50 series.

For most situations where you are the enthusiast and maybe you also have a companion, mate, etc. who predominately enjoy the experience, then a single measurement in between those two seats will provide you with the best results, not including the angle/height measurement. An SVS representative stated in another thread that he just uses one position in between the two main listening positions and may run 3 sweeps but does not move the mic.
 

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I'm sure you could measure with REW and manually input them into YPAO. Only problem is you might be limited. 7 bands for full range and 4 for subs.

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It is just to see the results that the measurements give, at the moment my microphone has a friend and I can not make any measurements now, but as soon as I return it I will make measurements and share them with you
 

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Unlike Audyssey, YPAO does most of the heavy lifting with the first measurement where it sets delay, crossover and creates an impulse response and then EQ's. Subsequent measurement positions are for setting and optimizing the surround sound and channel levels for multiple seating positions and no further EQ is initiated. If you notice a difference between measuring one position vs. multiple, it is simply because the channel levels are different. Notice that you perform the angle and height measurements in one position only.

Also, as stated in the owners manual: If you perform the multi-measure, the speaker settings will be optimized for you to enjoy surround sound in a wider space. and if you will have several listening positions and you want others to enjoy surround sound.

The speaker settings are not EQ, it would not be possible for YPAO to take the results of 8 measurement positions, calculate and apply correction to 6-11 channels so that wherever you sat in this room, you would hear a near flat response (which is not the intention of YPAO anyway). I understand that there is belief that using all 8 possible measurement positions may provide you with a "better" in room frequency response, and that may be true with Audyssey and Dirac but it is not with YPAO as YPAO is simply adjusting the channels levels for multiple seating positions once past the first measurement. This has been tested in the past and it is here somewhere in the Yamaha receivers threads, I believe the 50 series.

For most situations where you are the enthusiast and maybe you also have a companion, mate, etc. who predominately enjoy the experience, then a single measurement in between those two seats will provide you with the best results, not including the angle/height measurement. An SVS representative stated in another thread that he just uses one position in between the two main listening positions and may run 3 sweeps but does not move the mic.
What I do not understand is because the sound of the av has changed so much to me, when I bought it and installed it was a sound with a bass without power, the front scene of the speakers and the central one had no life, they were only mids and highs, I have been able to make v 4, 5 or 6 hard reset and now suddenly the other day I do the calibration and ..... surprise !!!! I do not understand it did not have options activated and less the D.R.C.
well the case that now I hear it very well I am quite happy with the
 

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Unlike Audyssey, YPAO does most of the heavy lifting with the first measurement where it sets delay, crossover and creates an impulse response and then EQ's. Subsequent measurement positions are for setting and optimizing the surround sound and channel levels for multiple seating positions and no further EQ is initiated. If you notice a difference between measuring one position vs. multiple, it is simply because the channel levels are different. Notice that you perform the angle and height measurements in one position only.

Also, as stated in the owners manual: If you perform the multi-measure, the speaker settings will be optimized for you to enjoy surround sound in a wider space. and if you will have several listening positions and you want others to enjoy surround sound.

The speaker settings are not EQ, it would not be possible for YPAO to take the results of 8 measurement positions, calculate and apply correction to 6-11 channels so that wherever you sat in this room, you would hear a near flat response (which is not the intention of YPAO anyway). I understand that there is belief that using all 8 possible measurement positions may provide you with a "better" in room frequency response, and that may be true with Audyssey and Dirac but it is not with YPAO as YPAO is simply adjusting the channels levels for multiple seating positions once past the first measurement. This has been tested in the past and it is here somewhere in the Yamaha receivers threads, I believe the 50 series.

For most situations where you are the enthusiast and maybe you also have a companion, mate, etc. who predominately enjoy the experience, then a single measurement in between those two seats will provide you with the best results, not including the angle/height measurement. An SVS representative stated in another thread that he just uses one position in between the two main listening positions and may run 3 sweeps but does not move the mic.
I have tested this many times over the last few months and the PEQ is different with say a 5pt cal with the 1st position in center of mlp and others 6 inches forward/backward/left/right of center vs 1pt cal in center position only.

Yes, the levels, distances, and crossovers can also vary between 5pt and 1pt, but the EQ isn't 1st position only with my RX-A2070 in my room. Don't know about the RSC filters but the PEQ was visibly different and sound much more natural with 5pt vs 1pt. And the mic placements were extremely precise and background noise minimal during calibration.

YMMV, just my 2 cents.
 
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I have tested this many times over the last few months and the PEQ is different with say a 5pt cal with the 1st position in center of mlp and others 6 inches forward/backward/left/right of center vs 1pt cal in center position only.

Yes, the levels, distances, and crossovers can also vary between 5pt and 1pt, but the EQ isn't 1st position only with my RX-A2070 in my room. Don't know about the RSC filters but the PEQ was visibly different and sound much more natural with 5pt vs 1pt. And the mic placements were extremely precise and background noise minimal during calibration.

YMMV, just my 2 cents.
Could it show or somehow show the calibration points that you do? I'm trying to collect all the information I can
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I want to try as the partner says to make a measurement with a single point with another angle and height and if I can once tested I want to do another one of three measurements but at a single point also with height and angle calibration and so I can test and see for myself what people are saying
 

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Hello
yesterday I had a while and I tried to do 5 calibrations.
I discovered that it leaves a single point very well, that if the points of the microphone are placed in a multipoint, they must be together, since if they are more separated it does not leave it well, especially in the subwoofer area
 

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HELP! I just spent over 15 hours in my theater trying to make a used upgrade to RX-A2070 work for me from my prior RX-V1075. After 3 days of messing around and adjusting almost anything I could adjust, both my wife and I unanimously agree that the old one sounded better! Problem is I had a buyer and was almost ready to ship out my old one (actually got payment for it) then I realized I was having real trouble with the 2070 so I refunded the money to pause and make a decision.
Reasons for upgrade: could not pass through video because of HDCP2.0 on the RXV - and I thought AtmosDTS-X would be nice.
Reasons for disappointment: found that sound was tinny and high, somewhat hollow compared to the RX-V. RX-V sounded noticeably fuller with more bass (but not exaggerated)

It got to a point while watching a DD5.1 bond film last night that even though the voices were at a reasonable level, there was ear shattering high pitch response with a severe lack of low-end to balance it. We both had headaches after the movie even though it wasn't actually loud as far as overall sound pressure. Whenever there was gunfire or shattering glass we would cringe in our seats! When there was an explosion, it had almost no sonic impact at all - like someone had taken an equalizer and lowered all frequencies between 20-500Hz. I went back to the RX-V this morning and brought my wife down, she confirmed animatedly that it sounded better than last night.

I messed with DSPs, eliminated the new front presence speakers I had spent a day installing because of the extra 2 channels available, messed with the auto and manual speaker set up, adjusted other sound settings in the options panel such as extra bass and also cranked the sub on my DefTech speakers to near the max - 15+ hours! It's really strange because when going through all the channels with a SPL meter, all were balanced between 26Hz to 18000Hz, so I figure it's just the mapping of the sound in the unit. I cannot believe that this makes any sense, why would a 6 year old flagship RX-V sound better than a 2 year old high end RX-A? I read one single thread somewhere that someone claimed the RX-A2060 sounded better than the replacement RX-A2070 but found no other single mention of this being the case after scouring the internet. I really need help rectifying this problem as I'm well over $1000 in the hole now and I may loose money on the 2070 if I try to sell it right now. Plus I really want to make the 2070 work due to the fact it's got all the features I want and need for HDCP 2.2 and my other equipment.
 

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Does anyone have a link to discrete remote hex codes for this unit?
LOL, I searched the thread for Hex. Maybe someone knows now.

Specifically, I'm trying to program the Enhancer onto my MX-990 and it won't learn it from the original remote.
 

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LOL, I searched the thread for Hex. Maybe someone knows now.

Specifically, I'm trying to program the Enhancer onto my MX-990 and it won't learn it from the original remote.
I have a pdf file that I got from Yamaha (via my dealer) that lists all of the NEC IR codes for the RX-v685, A3080, and A5200. Most of these are the same for the previous models. I also have a text file that I created that contains the HEX conversion of the NEC codes (I believe it has most of them at least). If you pm me an address I will happily email these two files to you.
 
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Hi guys, here is a cut and paste of a question I had put out on the 2060 pages - it was suggested I redirect it to this thread as the AVR's have changed slightly. I will begin off the hop that folks in the 2060 believe my problem is that I have continued the speaker configuration of my DefTech built in subs being connected through the speaker wires and using the internal line-level adapters rather than using LFE and separate cables. Although I am open to the idea of experimenting with connecting cables instead (I would still have to go out and buy some before I can do this), I say that I have used this configuration with 2 Yamaha AVR's before it and they always sounded amazing. Also, both DefTech and other DefTech users also state connecting the subs in this manner usually yields the best results. Having said this, the original question is below:

HELP! I just spent over 15 hours in my theatre trying to make a used upgrade to RX-A2070 work for me from my prior RX-V1075. After 3 days of messing around and adjusting almost anything I could adjust, both my wife and I unanimously agree that the old one sounded better! Reasons for upgrade: could not pass through video because of HDCP2.0 on the RXV - and I thought Atmos/DTS-X would be nice.
Reasons for disappointment: found that sound was tinny and high, somewhat hollow compared to the RX-V. RX-V sounded noticeably fuller with more bass (but not exaggerated)

It got to a point while watching a DD5.1 bond film last night that even though the voices were at a reasonable level, there was ear shattering high pitch response with a severe lack of low-end to balance it. We both had headaches after the movie even though it wasn't actually loud as far as overall sound pressure. Whenever there was gunfire or shattering glass we would cringe in our seats! When there was an explosion, it had almost no sonic impact at all - like someone had taken an equalizer and lowered all frequencies between 20-500Hz. I went back to the RX-V this morning and brought my wife down, she confirmed animatedly that it sounded better than last night.

I messed with DSPs, eliminated the new front presence speakers I had spent a day installing because of the extra 2 channels available, messed with the auto and manual speaker set up, adjusted other sound settings in the options panel such as extra bass and also cranked the sub on my DefTech speakers to near the max. 15+ hours messing with it! It's really strange because when going through all the channels with a SPL meter, all were balanced between 26Hz to 18000Hz, so I figure it's just the mapping of the sound in the unit. I cannot believe that this makes any sense, why would a 6 year old flagship RX-V sound better than a 2 year old high end RX-A? I read one single thread somewhere that someone claimed the RX-A2060 sounded better than the replacement RX-A2070 but found no other single mention of this being the case after scouring the internet. I really need help rectifying this problem as I'm well over $1100 in the hole now and I may loose money on the 2070 if I try to sell it right now. Plus I really want to make the 2070 work due to the fact it's got all the features I want and need for HDCP 2.2 and my other equipment.

I tried fiddling away from default with things like adaptive DRC, YPAO volume, virtual speakers - no improvement. I removed the newly installed front presence speakers and re-ran YPAO - no improvement. Manually set everything that I felt was inaccurate in the setup - no improvement. I even tried manually cranking my DefTech subs to near max and added the extra bass in the options menu, improved but still hollow, distant and flat sounding. I must have switched AVR's back and forth over 15 times as fast as possible, and my RX-V which only ever had a quick YPAO setup was noticeably improved (if my wife could tell the difference, it must have been horrendous as she is tone deaf).

There is nothing I can imagine that would make any improvement at this point, it almost seems like.....the AVR simply is having some issue outputting low frequency information with the source material. I used a SPL meter and test disk though, and found response pretty flat between 32Hz (it's as low as my test disk goes) to 18kHz using "C" weighted which seems to be industry standard. I did run a check using "A" weighted which is supposed to be what the human ear hears, there is a slight dip in SPL under 240Hz but no different than the RX-V. In fact the 2070 seems to be miraculous as getting what used to be about 4 or 5db difference in some speakers (parametric EQ set to through when checking for baseline reference) to nearly identical SPL on all speakers with parametric EQ set to flat. YPAO seemed to be excellent overall where I could tell, speaker distances/size/crossovers slightly more accurate than the RX-V.

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AVR (mode 1), Parametric EQ (flat), Speakers all DefTech matched set, DefTech subs connected with speaker wire not cables, Panasonic DP-UB820 (any disk I tried both BR and DVD), tried 3 different disks including DD 5.1 media, Standard default "power amp assign" (main zone 9 channel), no separate zones used or connected, surround mode (straight), front center and sides (full signal), rear surround (tried 80-110Hz crossover).
 

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I have a pdf file that I got from Yamaha (via my dealer) that lists all of the NEC IR codes for the RX-v685, A3080, and A5200. Most of these are the same for the previous models. I also have a text file that I created that contains the HEX conversion of the NEC codes (I believe it has most of them at least). If you pm me an address I will happily email these two files to you.
Thank you! I sent my email via PM.
 

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Hello everyone
Next week my second subwoofer arrives that exactly like the one I already have an xtz 12.17 edge, the fact is that I have heard that yamaha manages two subwoofer very well (almost better than one) but I can hardly find any information.
Could someone give me some information?
calibrate the two sub by separator?
put the two sub in phase?
that about the sub but now I have another question about the speakers
Has anyone put the fronts in large instead of small?
  Yesterday a colleague told me to try to do it (having towers) and I did it only on the front right and left, the central one left it small without staining the sound, it gave a power in bass in the impressing front area, I was surprised
finally someone knows if yamaha has any option that is similar to the dynamic eq in denon ??
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I've got a 7.2.4 system and I bought a 5 channel amp, and am planning to use it to power LCR and side or back surrounds.

I planned on using the receiver only to power the height speakers.

I've got a spare 2 channel crown amp I could throw in the mix, but would the A3070 have a significant drop off in watts/channel for 4 heights vs. 4 heights + 2 surrounds?

I thought I read about low watts/ch with more than 5 speakers.

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I could really use some input. I've been fighting with a used RX-A2070 for 3 weeks now, almost 40 hours of experimentation between my RX-V1075 (RX-A1030) and a week ago I was about to give up and bought the RX-V1085. In short, I knew the sound was amazing on my 1075, wanted extra speakers and needed HDCP2.2 so I had thought of the RX-V1085 but was talked into the RX-A2070 by Yamaha. Bought the AVR and hated it ever since. The sound of my 1075 is amazing, and the new 1085 I just bought sounds just as amazing even though it's all new. Problem is I want to return the 1085 because I really want the extra channels but the 2070 sounds like ass by comparison.

Many hours of research and I have come to some conclusion with the 2070 that I cannot tell is a characteristic of the AVR or somehow the room or other hardware (although 2 other Yamaha AVRs sound amazing).

I observed that the bass signal is really lacking, especially in the center channel and the highs are ear piercing and cause ear fatigue. Dialog sounded vague, far away - like a flatscreen tv. Harley Davidsons sound like mopeds. I really improved the sound of dialog by adding 2.5dB to the center in setup, cranking up bass tone control to 3 in options, toggling on extra-bass feature in options. Number of speakers connected doesn't really make a difference in sound nor does manually cranking up sub pots. After all this, I still found overall bass really lacking but certainly the center seems to be the largest issue. It's almost like the 2070 refuses to put out any lower frequencies even though it's set to large. (Indiana Jones Crystal Skull, when Mutt comes along the platform in the Harley the sound comes out mainly from the center so it's very obvious here. Also during concert passages like A star is born remake).

Can anyone give any input to these characteristics and why other Yamaha AVRs don't seem to suffer the same fate?
 
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