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Hi all,


I have been trying to get Zone 2 working on this receiver. I have 2 pair of speakers in a 2nd room, which I would like send another input to, such as CD, while in the main room, the Sat audio signal would be sent, to the TV.


I am guessing that the only way to do this is to install a small, 2nd amp to control the 2 pair of speakers in the 2nd room? I have recognized that the 3300 will only send analog signals to Zone 2 speaker outputs.


From the setup menus, I can send the output of the Front Effect speakers (which I do not have) to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, of the 3300. This works fine, but the volume cannot be controled and it is too low, despite what I try.


If I change the Zone 2 menu to the "fixed" option, it turns the sound off to the 2 pair of speakers entirely. On the "Variable" option, it allows the minimal sound when I turn the SP option to "On", but I still cannot control the Zone 2 volume.


I would have thought this newer Yami would bi-amplify the Zone 2 but I seem to have determined this is not the case.


Anyone have any input or suggestions? I am pulling out what little hair I have left :D


Thanks in advance for any help you might offer.


Regards...Dave
 

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Hi, I have a 3300 as well and even though I probably wont be using the zone b feature , I would still like to try it out once and understand how it works , should I decide to use it later on. Also I am having some issues related to with multichannel music and zone b so I really need to be able to learn how the 3300 works.


I have read the manual several times and still am uncertain as to what everything is for.


Here is what I gather so far:


A. there is one set of analog audio outputs and a composite video output for zone B.

B. there is one left and right speaker outputs that are labled zone B.

C. main speakers B can be assigned to Main or zone B.


The analog audio outputs are easy enough to understand , they are just line level preouts that can be assigned any analog source , an external amp with volume control would be needed.


I have no idea what the zone B speaker outputs are and how to use main speakers B in a zone B situation. The manual does not go into much detail at all about main speakers B and what the possiblities are and it does not mention the seperate set of speaker outputs at all as far as I can tell.

I do know that there are a plethora of install options available for this unit even though I dont know what they are. :)


That is as far as I am right now, I will keep working on it and report my findings.


Perhaps we can work together on this and figure it out.
 

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Sorry, I did not read your post thouroughly, (it was late at night :D )



I am guessing that the only way to do this is to install a small, 2nd amp to control the 2 pair of speakers in the 2nd room? I have recognized that the 3300 will only send analog signals to Zone 2 speaker outputs.

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Yes and correct




From the setup menus, I can send the output of the Front Effect speakers (which I do not have) to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, of the 3300. This works fine, but the volume cannot be controled and it is too low, despite what I try.

If I change the Zone 2 menu to the "fixed" option, it turns the sound off to the 2 pair of speakers entirely. On the "Variable" option, it allows the minimal sound when I turn the SP option to "On", but I still cannot control the Zone 2 volume.

>>>>>>>>>..


Well , that answers my question about the extra terminals...I will try what you have done and see what results I get.





I would have thought this newer Yami would bi-amplify the Zone 2 but I seem to have determined this is not the case.

>>>>>>>.


What do you mean ?



Now can you check something on your unit as well? This is odd but while playing either a regular DVD or DVD-A , I can shut off my main speakers A and B and if I go into the speaker set-up menu and select speakers B in "Main" which they are I get sound out of the center channel of my 5.1 speakers which are would be speakers A.

Again, both A and B main speakers off (should be no sound at all!)

speaker set-up menu>> select speaker B as "main" and I get sound out of speaker "a" center. If I select speaker B in "zone 2" then I get no sound as it should be.

Now I have not determined where the sound is coming from but I have my DVD-A player connected 3 ways...via the optical input...via the 6.1 analog inputs and the 2 channel stereo analog inputs. It may be coming thru any of the three because I have changed the input from optical to analog and I still get the sound. The only thing that I can still check is the two analog inputs to determine if it comes thru both. This must be a bug of some sort because this should not be happening as far as I can tell.

Any ideas?
 

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Well I decided to call Yamaha and as it turns out the root cause of both of our problems is the Stereo effects switch.


In order to run the 2 25watt amplifers to zone 2 you have to make sure and turn off the stereo effects.



I had the stereo effects button on in my situation and this was the cause of my problem.

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Main speakers B set as Main >> sound out of the center because the receiver thinks they are in the main room AND the stereo effects are ON,

the reciever thinks that I might want to use both sets of mains at the same time and I am in the main room , therefore effects are enabled.

Furthermore the small or large settings that I have applied are in effect.


Main speakers set as Zone 2>>> reciever thinks you may be in another room altogether, therefore effects are disabled hence the no sound out of the center. A and B buttons only effect the mains, not the rest of the surround speakers.

Speakers B in this setting get full bandwidth...so main speaker settings do not apply.

This works out for me because I use my a and b speakers independently and a speakers are small and b speakers are large , therfore I will use the zone 2 setting and everything works out. :) ..I just have to remember to shut off the effects switch when I go to listen to my B speakers. Also keep in mind that the subwoofer wont output anything in stereo while using only the B speakers in this situation.



Again , click off the stereo effects button and everything should work out for you. :) Let me know how it goes.
 

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Hi James,


For the moment, I will respond to your last comments:


Regarding your issues with the B speakers. There is a menu to indicate if your "B" speakers are in the same room as your "A" speakers and your various effect speakers, ie Center, rears, etc.


I get the impression that you want to mute your effect speakers while using only your "B" speakers? This condition is favorable, when your "B" speakers are in another room. I do not believe it has anything to do with your various source connections.


This can be accomplished at the menu 1H SP B Set Menu. See the Zone B setup screen and change to the Zone B selection. This will mute your effect speakers, when the B speakers are selected, by themselves.


Ok - One clarification on Zone 2. Zone 2 on the 3300, allow you to send one source of audio to another room, while the main room is listening to a different source. In my case, the main room has the big screen and might be watching the Sat or DVD while the other room is hearing a CD or the tuner.


I was hoping that since there are Zone 2 speaker terminals, I could send an amplified signal to my other room. However, while it did work, it only worked by changing Menu 16, which assigns the Front Effect speakers to the Zone 2 speaker outputs. As far as I can tell, there is no way to control the volume of these effect speakers when there is nothing attached to front effect terminals. The assignment in menu 16 does not qualify as a direct connection to the front effect speaker. The manual indicates you cannot change the volume to front effect unless there are speakers hooked up there.


This is where my comment about bi-amplification comes in. Apparently, some other brands of amps provide amplification to the Zone 2 speaker terminals, and offer an alternate volume control for Zone 2.


From my research and reading other comments on Zone 2 on this ste and other AV sites, it appears that I must setup another amp via the Zone 2 output of the 3300 to amplify and control the speakers in my other room. Then, the 3300 passes whatever source you select on the front panel (Record Out/Zone 2 switch) to the other amp and that amp manages the amplification.


And yes, Zone 2 will only pass analog signals. Which means if I want to send CD music to Zone 2, I must hookup analog cables. The optical or component cables only work in the main zone.


Let me know your thoughts. Thx Dave
 

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I was hoping that since there are Zone 2 speaker terminals, I could send an amplified signal to my other room. However, while it did work, it only worked by changing Menu 16, which assigns the Front Effect speakers to the Zone 2 speaker outputs. As far as I can tell, there is no way to control the volume of these effect speakers when there is nothing attached to front effect terminals. The assignment in menu 16 does not qualify as a direct connection to the front effect speaker. The manual indicates you cannot change the volume to front effect unless there are speakers hooked up there.

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This deck is capable of sending an amplifed signal to speakers in another room. You can use a different source and control the volume seperately.

Read page 54.
 

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I just confirmed all of this as well.


I connected some speakers to the zone 2 output and set-up the tuner for zone 2 on the remote. ..I have total volume control of the zone 2 tuner and I have a DVD playing in zone 1 on my main speakers. Toggle to zone 2 for the zone 2 volume then I toggle to DVD player to control the volume of the main speakers.


I can assure you that it works perfectly , athough it is rather complicated at first as to how to set it up. :)



Let me know how it goes for you. :)
 

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The one thing I dont like about the 3300 is the fact that the remote is so critical to the piece. Its not that I dont like it because I dont really mind the remote being critical but what does bother me is if I lose or break it then the deck becomes severely disabled. I would feel better if I had a spare remote.


Other than that this is a wonderful piece of electronics and I doubt I will be upgrading for a very long time, I just love it!
 

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I just confirmed all of this as well.


I connected some speakers to the zone 2 output and set-up the tuner for zone 2 on the remote. ..I have total volume control of the zone 2 tuner and I have a DVD playing in zone 1 on my main speakers. Toggle to zone 2 for the zone 2 volume then I toggle to DVD player to control the volume of the main speakers.


I can assure you that it works perfectly , athough it is rather complicated at first as to how to set it up. :)



Let me know how it goes for you. :)
James - Thx for your comments but I am not getting this at all.


1) What do you mean you set up the tuner for Zone 2 on the remote? I guess you selected the tuner to go to Zone 2? You can do this on the front of the amp using the Rec Out/Zone 2 switch, thus not needing the remote.


2) Did you have to do some of the Zone 2 setup on the remote? I got the impression you only did the remote setup stuff when you were trying to control another 2nd amp? What steps did you follow?


3) I have not done any setup of the remote, as I typically do not use it. I have a Phillips Pronto controlling everything. I may have to add something to the Pronto once I understand how to control zone 2 volume.


4) Did you change menu 16 to send the front effects to Zone 2?


5) Can you help me understand what you did to the remote?


Thx Dave


Would you be willing to talk on the phone today? I am in my home office - 650-591-2110 or I can call you.
 

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Dave, I tried calling you but only got an answering machine. I have some time to talk to you now but wont be available until after 3pm PST or so afterwards.
 

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Dave, I tried calling you but only got an answering machine. I have some time to talk to you now but wont be available until after 3pm PST or so afterwards.
James - thx a million for trying to call. I was on a conference call for about 2 hours.


I ran through your recommendation to set up the remote and I got it to work as you did. Thx again for the idea. I noticed I still had to use menu #16 to use the front effect amps and direct them to the Zone 2 speaker outputs to get it to work at all. I can toggle between the Zone 2 and Main to set volume of each and mute either.


I am still not using the "B" speakers at all in my setup. Wonder if I can direct "B" to the Zone 2 speaker outputs and use that instead of the Front Effect speakers? Are you using the "B" speakers to do this?


Many Thanks - Dave
 

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Hey James,


One thought I had for you. Don't know if you tried it or not. RE: The Stereo effects button. I don't think you have to use that and lose the ability to keep effects when you want them.


I think you can use menu 1H SP B Set menu, which will turn the effect speakers off, when you choose to listen to just the "B" speakers. However, unlike the "Stereo Effects" button, which turns off your DSP completely (as far as I believe).


This way, if you change the menu, you don't have to use the Streo Effects button and lose all of the DSP effects, when listening to your "B" speakers.


Regards...Dave
 

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I am not sure what you are getting at on your last post but I dont really need to know anything as I feel I have a good grasp of how the unit works at this point...hopfully you do to. :)


It is a complicated machine for sure and it is not easy to communicate how the thing works. I would not want to be a tech support specialist for Yamaha. :)
 

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james,


The tech at Yamaha told you to use the Stereo Effect button, to eliminate the effects speakers from playing, while you were listening to a source on the "B" speakers. I had the same problem awhile ago.


What I was trying to explain is that when you use the Stereo Effect button on the front panel, it basically shuts off the DSP portion of the receiver. When the DSP portion is shut off, you cannot take advantage of any of the Digital Signal Processing that the Yamaha offers, while listening via the "B" speakers.


Instead of using the Stereo Effect button to change all signals to basic Stereo, I recommend that you go to On Screen Display and change the values in Menu #16. This will "quiet" the effects speakers when listening to the "B" channel and you still get to use the Digital Signal Processing portion of the amp (such as Church, Jazz club, etc.)


thx again for your help with the Zone 2. I finally got it going after setting up the remote as you described, to control the Zone 2 volume, mute, etc


Regards...Dave
 
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