Did you just call a 10" sub a "larger" sub?
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Yamaha SW-P3600 10" Passive Subwoofer
If a thread already exists for this model, please delete and PM me with a link. Considering this is a larger subwoofer by a respected name in musical instruments and audio, I think it deserves a dedicated thread. Considering it does not have its own built-in amplifier, this leads me to believe more may have been put into how well the speaker itself was designed. Does anyone else have first-hand experience with or knowledge about this subwoofer? I use my 2006 model Yamaha HTR-5935 receiver as its amplifier, and I connect my newer receivers with subwoofer pre-outs to its subwoofer pre-in as part of its multi-channel analog input. I set the volume on my HTR-5935 to 0dB so it's balanced with my newer receivers. I know it produces/reproduces sine waves below 30Hz.
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According to the manuals for the HTR-5835/5935:
Meh.Minimum RMS Output Power for Subwoofer
30Hz, 6Ω...........................................................120W
When I was researching midpriced subs, most of them were 6.5" and 8".
Did you just call a 10" sub a "larger" sub?
You need to work on your research skills me thinks. I wouldn't classify this as a sub. Feel free to do some reading before continuing. 😘
As a musician, I prefer Yamaha components. So far, the only acception has been HDMI jitter reduction when connecting a Pioneer Blu-ray player to a Pioneer receiver. But that's for the receivers and players forums. My point is I have a musician's bias towards Yamaha speakers. Isn't the 30Hz frequency mentioned in the HTR-5835 and HTR-5935 manuals just the middle frequency the subwoofer output power was measured, kind of like 1KHz is the middle frequency the power output for the fronts, center, and surrounds is measured?
As a music lover (see sig), I've moved to pro tour grade drivers in my subs. There isn't a comparison between some cheap Chinese 10" driver in Yamaha's subs and the 21" Italian made B&C drivers companies like PSA use.
I haven't used a 10" subwoofer since the late 1990s. Hell, my mains in the theater have dual 10" drivers while there are four 18" and two 21"s with ~15k watts of amplification. Even the La Scala IIs in my 2 channel system have 15" folded horn bassbins.
I haven't used a 10" subwoofer since the late 1990s. Hell, my mains in the theater have dual 10" drivers while there are four 18" and two 21"s with ~15k watts of amplification. Even the La Scala IIs in my 2 channel system have 15" folded horn bassbins.
I deeply respect those who are fortunate enough to take things to a higher level than I can. Wouldn't a 21" sub cost over $1K? Not everyone's wallet is big enough to spend over $1K just on a sub alone, or any speaker alone for that matter. Also, not everyone has the physical space for some of the speakers you described. But a smaller wallet and smaller physical space limitations don't make anyone less of an enthusiast than you. We just pick the best components within our physical space limitations and our budget limitations.
As a music lover (see sig), I've moved to pro tour grade drivers in my subs. There isn't a comparison between some cheap Chinese 10" driver in Yamaha's subs and the 21" Italian made B&C drivers companies like PSA use.
I haven't used a 10" subwoofer since the late 1990s. Hell, my mains in the theater have dual 10" drivers while there are four 18" and two 21"s with ~15k watts of amplification. Even the La Scala IIs in my 2 channel system have 15" folded horn bassbins.
From one musician to another: You need to get out more and experience more subs. Even among cheap subs, this isn't a great option and the fact that it is passive means most will also have to invest in an amp to power it, so any cost advantage quickly evaporates.
Even in pro gear, Yamaha is not a good company for subs. I cringe when I see them as it often means the B string is neutered.
Even in pro gear, Yamaha is not a good company for subs. I cringe when I see them as it often means the B string is neutered.
I had Yamaha's C7 7' 6" acoustic grand piano from 1998 until it became a casualty of Superstorm Sandy in 2012. I have their PF-1000 digital piano / synthesizer with built-in speakers, their CP-33 digital piano, their YHT-370 Home Theater in a Box system (including the HTR-5935 receiver, NS-AP5700 speaker package (which I swapped out the center and surrounds with three more of the matching fronts for better sound coming from all directions), and SW-P3600 subwoofer), and a pair of their NS-6490 three-way speakers for my bedroom, which I plan on getting more of for my home theater to replace the NS-AP5700 speakers for even more refined sound coming from all directions. At some point, I might even get one of their current 10" amplified subs.
From one musician to another: You need to get out more and experience more subs. Even among cheap subs, this isn't a great option and the fact that it is passive means most will also have to invest in an amp to power it, so any cost advantage quickly evaporates.
Even in pro gear, Yamaha is not a good company for subs. I cringe when I see them as it often means the B string is neutered.
What are your physical space limitations and budget limitations? An SW-P3600 + outboard amp may not be the "best components" to suit them. E.g.:... Not everyone's wallet is big enough to spend over $1K just on a sub alone ... But a smaller wallet and smaller physical space limitations don't make anyone less of an enthusiast than you. We just pick the best components within our physical space limitations and our budget limitations.
- Dayton Audio SUB-1200 ($165, shipped)
- BIC PL-200 II (currently available for $300 on Amazon.com)
- RSL Speedwoofer 10S ($399, shipped)
The SW-P3600 has a written lower frequency response down to 25Hz. I don't like its nominal 50-Watt power handling. At some point, I am considering one of Yamaha's 10" powered subs, such as the [url="https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/speaker_systems/ns-sw100/index.html"NS-SW100[/url] or the [url="https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio_visual/speaker_systems/ns-sw300/index.html"NS-SW300[/url] so I could get more juice out of it and use my shelf for things other than my Yamaha HTR-5935, receiver which I'm using as a dedicated subwoofer amp for my SW-P3600.
I wouldn't list any of those speakers as great. They are decent for home theatre in a box speakers, but not in the same ballpark as component systems, even compared to budget component systems. But you do what you can afford to do. I'm a bargain hunter so I tend to manage to find stuff at huge discounts that punch well above the price I pay.
Outside of their component receivers, Yamaha is seldom recommended for home audio gear. It's really not something they spend much time or R&D on and mostly just sell on name, but then they don't really try to seriously compete in that segment outside of receivers.
You live in the US, the amount of quality options out there is amazing, if you know where to look, but then you can come to this forum and ask for advice on where to look (eljay is already helping on the sub front).
Yamaha does make great pianos and digital pianos (though on the digital front, I generally prefer Roland and Kawai for most stage applications, but then I am not really a piano player). In general, they make good quality musical instruments across most lines, though most often described as safe and consistent. But then its a completely different division than home electronics and you shouldn't equate one with the other.
Outside of their component receivers, Yamaha is seldom recommended for home audio gear. It's really not something they spend much time or R&D on and mostly just sell on name, but then they don't really try to seriously compete in that segment outside of receivers.
You live in the US, the amount of quality options out there is amazing, if you know where to look, but then you can come to this forum and ask for advice on where to look (eljay is already helping on the sub front).
Yamaha does make great pianos and digital pianos (though on the digital front, I generally prefer Roland and Kawai for most stage applications, but then I am not really a piano player). In general, they make good quality musical instruments across most lines, though most often described as safe and consistent. But then its a completely different division than home electronics and you shouldn't equate one with the other.
I definitely get what you're saying about the SW-P3600. While it has a written lower frequency response down to 25Hz, I don't like its nominal 50-Watt power handling. At some point, I am considering one of Yamaha's 10" powered subs, such as the NS-SW100 or the NS-SW300 so I could get more juice out of it and use my shelf for things other than my Yamaha HTR-5935, receiver which I'm using as a dedicated subwoofer amp for my SW-P3600. Also, while the NS-AP5700 package is from an HTiB, the NS-6490 is a separate pair, not marketed as HTiB.
Well, we tried. They are addicted to the Yamaha koolaid. There is no helping here.
OP, it has nothing to do with cost. It's about ability and Yamaha is so low on that scale it's never recommended. There are too many other better performing brands.
OP, it has nothing to do with cost. It's about ability and Yamaha is so low on that scale it's never recommended. There are too many other better performing brands.
Better than being addicted to the Bose koolaid--😊. At least Yamaha uses larger drivers capible of lower frequency reproduction at a more natural level. Bose uses smaller drivers and electronicly boosts/emphasizes the lower frequencies they can produce to give a false impression of good bass.
Well, we tried. They are addicted to the Yamaha koolaid. There is no helping here.
OP, it has nothing to do with cost. It's about ability and Yamaha is so low on that scale it's never recommended. There are too many other better performing brands.
That is true. There are worse brands. 😘Better than being addicted to the Bose koolaid--😊. At least Yamaha uses larger drivers capible of lower frequency reproduction at a more natural level. Bose uses smaller drivers and electronicly boosts/emphasizes the lower frequencies they can produce to give a false impression of good bass.
I fully understand; the Klipsch La Scala IIs alone were $8k, never mind the Parasounds, etc in that system.I deeply respect those who are fortunate enough to take things to a higher level than I can. Wouldn't a 21" sub cost over $1K? Not everyone's wallet is big enough to spend over $1K just on a sub alone, or any speaker alone for that matter. Also, not everyone has the physical space for some of the speakers you described. But a smaller wallet and smaller physical space limitations don't make anyone less of an enthusiast than you. We just pick the best components within our physical space limitations and our budget limitations.
At any rate, welcome to the forum. Be careful and forewarned, reading most anything here will make you burn cash. There's TONS of information and some extremely knowledgeable people here who will be more than willing you help you navigate all your A/V needs.
Here's a good review about upgrading from a 10" Yamaha to some pro tour drivers in PSA subs: My experience with dual TV1512s
It's like DVD and Blu-ray players, headphones, receivers, and TVs. There's Insignia, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, Sony, TCL, and Toshiba if you're on a budget and maybe not even that knowledgeable nor care about the quality. There's Denon and Marantz for those who are knowledgeable, care about the quality, and don't have budget limitations. And there is Pioneer and Yamaha for those who are knowledgeable, care about the quality, but are tight on budget.
I fully understand; the Klipsch La Scala IIs alone were $8k, never mind the Parasounds, etc in that system.
At any rate, welcome to the forum. Be careful and forewarned, reading most anything here will make you burn cash. There's TONS of information and some extremely knowledgeable people here who will be more than willing you help you navigate all your A/V needs.
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