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SPOILER THREAD!!!


There are a number of films, even the really good ones I truly enjoy, that I feel would've benefited from some key edit decisions that would make them even better flicks.


I'm not talking about re-shooting a movie (i.e. changing the dialogue, cutting or re-casting certain roles), but simply cutting out scenes of the movie I feel aren't needed, or take away from the overall experience. To me, these are parts that I often chapter-skip past whenever they come up.


How about you guys? If you have some ideas, please list the title of your movie first in bold so that those who haven't seen it yet don't read your possible spoilers. Yeah, some cuts may render a movie incomprehensible to those who have never seen it, but who cares? It's your Director's Cut.



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Pulp Fiction

Christopher Walken's scene as a military vet who survives the war and comes to visit the young son of a fellow soldier who was killed in action did nothing for me. I know it was probably put in for laughs (carrying his dad's watch in his butt), but outside of giving Butch a reason to really want to retrieve the watch from his apartment, I think it was way too ridiculous to be in the movie. I skip past it with every viewing of an otherwise outstanding picture.


Sin City

I really enjoyed the cheesy stories for The Customer is Always Right, The Hard Goodbye, and The Yellow Bastard, but the Big Fat Kill is beyond terrible IMHO. The storyline has too much slapstick humor which removes any potential tension in that episode, the "Valkyrie's" acting is worse than the cheesy acting of everyone else in the movie and feels out of place, and that stupid, overly long car ride scene between the corpse and the cop is the worst scene of the entire film. I almost wish the whole movie was about Marv, but I'll settle for cutting out this one episode.


Full Metal Jacket

I take out my biggest pair of scissors for this film... I don't even bother watching the 2nd half any more. It's like watching two different movies. A lot of the dialogue (acting?) in the second half is so silly that I can barely take the soldiers seriously ("You can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?"
). There are a few good scenes, but it isn't balanced by the problems I had with it. Maybe it's because the Sargent and Private "Pyle" were so good in the first half that one can't help but notice the huge drop in quality once they're no longer in the movie. In any case, snip snip!
 

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Star Wars. Make it the same as the original, i.e., no more of the added in stuff.
 

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Nothing like painting a big target on yourself. A few years ago there was even a subscription available for people who wanted to skip the naughty parts of films, meaning sex, drugs, and alcohol, plus the profanity. You connected the special DVD player to broadband and with a few clicks of the remote could watch any film without any objectional material. I believe you could still find this equipment if you tried, and if you happen to use a HTPC you always could make your own movie edit, of course.


This thread is not gonna make you very popular with those members who work in the film industry, but what the hay. Speaking for myself, it distresses me when the original aspect ratio is altered, and changing content drives me up a wall. No thank you. If a movie doesn't impress, I have a remote with a fast forward button, and that film seldom even will get a second chance, much less a unique edit. Life's too short to watch bad movies, and there is an almost endless supply of films from NetFlix and the Web.
 

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I'm only talking about snipping a few scenes from movies you personally enjoy. No one needs to take it more seriously than that. Why would someone be upset?
 

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Nothing wrong with chapter skipping and/or FF.

To each his own.
 

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Bo doubt about the [email protected] BS Lucas did with STAR WARS. Get rid of it. All of it.


SHAWSHANK RDEMPTION has the worst ending of all time. Yeah, switch to a helicopter shot just as the two old friends are about the embrace after so long. Yeah, rob us of that moment. Brilliant! If I had my way I'd find the mid and close-ups and put them in and drop that damned helipcopter shot completely.


APOC NOW REDUX: Please, for the love of God, drop the extra Playbloy Bunny scene and the entire French plantation scene. Then you have one hell of a great movie on your hands.


KILL BILL V2: Completely cut the boring as sh!t scene with Beatrix Kiddo and Bill's father. Good Lord, that just brings the film to a crashing halt. Stops it like a garbage truck hitting a tractor trailer head on. Can you say "Chapter forward" on DVD and Blu-Ray?!
 

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I love the movie "Excalibur." But the sequence during which the knights search for the grail, and slowly (very slowly) Percival learns the secret that the king and the land are one...I'd tighten the pacing of that sequence by shortening some of those scenes a bit.
 

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Originally Posted by joeblow /forum/post/17054510


I'm only talking about snipping a few scenes from movies you personally enjoy. No one needs to take it more seriously than that. Why would someone be upset?

I see no problem with it. Why is it so difficult to think that some of us couldn't come up with a better scene or choice of editing than the director did? It's not. Not to me, anyway. There are countless movies that have things in them that simply don't belong. Whether it was the director's choice or a studio head making them put it in there, that doesn't mean it was the best choice to help the movie along.


I would never for one moment assume that another person couldn't tell a story better than another, especially when you're talking about a craft based on imagination and coherency. How many movies have we all seen that made us wonder, after we got done watching them, who greenlighted them to make it out the door?


I don't buy that just because so and so directed whatever movie, that they did it the best way it could have been done.


Now that I'm done with my sermon, I would have left out the Diva/Lee Loo fight scene towards the end of The Fifth Element. One of my favorite all time movies other than that.
 

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The art of filmmaking is one where among other things, you optimize a script and edit a film to appeal to the widest possible audience. That is not at all the same as pleasing yourself, but movies are a business for filmmakers and a hobby for most viewers.


I admit that The Fifth Element is a particular favorite. I don't particularly care for Ruby Rhod but I don't skip those scenes. I don't like and I don't skip Jar-Jar Binks in E1-E3 either.


I do however tape an average of three news programs per day (PBS, BBC, and FNC) and skip those news reports that do not interest me.
 

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KILL BILL V2: Completely cut the boring as sh!t scene with Beatrix Kiddo and Bill's father. Good Lord, that just brings the film to a crashing halt. Stops it like a garbage truck hitting a tractor trailer head on. Can you say "Chapter forward" on DVD and Blu-Ray?!

I swear that KB.V2 was next on my list for similar reasons. However I couldn't decide which of Bill's long-winded monologues I wanted to gut so I set it aside for now.


That character was PERFECT in KB.V1! He rarely spoke and his face was kept off screen. That combination really enhanced his presence as the ultimate big boss controlling a band of assassins. In V2, he comes across as visually unimpressive (due to his age in part), and he just would not shut up with his drawn out parables that really makes the sequel more boring than it otherwise would be. My wife saw it after I did and had similar comments herself. That's two more votes for taking the scissors to Kill Bill Vol. 2.


As for Ruby Rhod in The Fifth Element, his antics grew on me by the third viewing. Bzzzzt!!!
 

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That character was PERFECT in KB.V1! He rarely spoke and his face was kept off screen. That combination really enhanced his presence as the ultimate big boss controlling a band of assassins. In V2, he comes across as visually unimpressive (due to his age in part), and he just would not shut up with his drawn out parables that really makes the sequel more boring than it otherwise would be. My wife saw it after I did and had similar comments herself. That's two more votes for taking the scissors to Kill Bill Vol. 2.

Originally, KB was to be one film, not 2 separate releases.

The Weinsteins talked Tarantino into expanded it for the purposes of selling 2 tickets, instead of one.
 

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That is not at all the same as pleasing yourself, but movies are a business for filmmakers and a hobby for most viewers.

I understand that, but why do so many movies have the same cringe-worthy moments that don't seem to appeal to anyone? Jar Jar Binks, as you mentioned, is a prime example (to say nothing of other moments in the re-murdered Star Wars Trilogy).


1) I would have really like Wanted, but there were just too many ridiculous things in it for me (and any one of my friends) to do so; things that could have been done a different way and not been so.....goofy.


2) Indiana Jones surving the nuclear blast while flying at Ludicrous Speed through the air and landing unscathed.


3) Ironman landing in the sand after his initial escape - hitting the ground from an impossible to survive height.


4) The "racist cop who changed his evil ways at the end" subplot in Volcano (not that that movie didn't have bigger problems).


5) The aforementioned SW trilogy's wonderful Return of the Jedi Musical in Jabba's palace. I wanted to strangle puppies after that one.


There are tons of moments in tons of movies that add NOTHING to the story, and in fact, hurt it. Why some of these things are put in movies, when many of them (if not most or all) are universally criticized for being an ignorant thing to do is beyond me. If it adds box office take by giving little kids something to like (think Blarp from Lost in Space - the little space monkey), then fine. It is a business, and making money is the goal. However, some things are just plain bad decisions on the director or studio's part when what they do makes you embarrassed to watch a scene around others.
 

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Well, there's one shot in The Matrix when Neo is fighting Smith in the subway: right after Neo gets thrown across the platform, he stands up and does this weird pose thing with his arms. It makes me cringe everytime. Don't know why, but I'd re-shoot that with a different pose.


Of course, there are lots of movies that I enjoy, but there's one shot or one line of dialogue that makes me cringe and I'd love to get rid of it.


Another that comes to mind is the scene in Run Lola Run where she's doing the roulette wheel and screams and all the glass breaks in the casino.
 

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Originally, KB was to be one film, not 2 separate releases.

The Weinsteins talked Tarantino into expanded it for the purposes of selling 2 tickets, instead of one.

Pure semantics. It was originally presented to its audiences as two films so that's how I'll view it. The artistic tone and plot development style are clearly (and purposefully) different from one another. Spiderman 1 & 2 as seperate films were more directly in common with one another than volume 1 & 2 of Kill Bill. I'll continue to treat them as seperate movies for that reason.


BTW, if it were released as one movie my complaints would simply attack the "2nd half" of it just like I did above with Full Metal Jacket. Either way, Bill's constant yapping scenes are my only problem with Kill Bill.


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I have a new one to add to my list....

Return of the King

Out of all 47 hours of the super-extended LotR saga (I wish
), there is only five minutes I would cut out - the very end of RotK where the director gave us something like four endings in a row (music dies down, fade to black, cue next ending sequence, repeat). I'd end it after the crew sailed off, and that would be that.
 

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I agree, I hardly care for KB vol2 and Vol1 can stand on it's own without it easily.

Death Proof had a lot of "fat" as well that could have been trimmed out to speed things up.
 

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Relax Gary, no sacred cows being killed here. It's an interesting question and does no harm.


Okay, I'd have Hitchcock's "Psycho" end in the basement of the mansion. I hate the ending that feels so tacked-on, where they have the guy explain everything as to why Anthony Perkins dressed up like his mother and had a split personality. The movie is so perfect up to that point, I can't help but think that the tacked-on ending was something the studio made Hitchcock do.


In Spielberg's "War of The Worlds":

- shorten, or even remove the scene with Tim Robbins...it puts major brakes on this movie and it never quite recovers its energy.

- DON'T have the son somehow magically re-appear at the end of the movie. At least leave it ambiguous for god's sake.


I started a thread similar to this a couple years ago, called "Movies you liked despite their flaws".

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...t=movies+flaws
 

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When I first saw "Blade Runner" in the mid-80's (I did not get to see it in 1982), I thought it was awesome; however, I wanted two changes: no voice-over, and end it as the elevator doors close.


Happily, in the early 1990's, the director re-released the movie with those two changes (among a few others).
 

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In Spielberg's "War of The Worlds":

- shorten, or even remove the scene with Tim Robbins...it puts major brakes on this movie and it never quite recovers its energy.

Oh man... that one goes near the top of my list! What was that nonsense?
 

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Oh man... that one goes near the top of my list! What was that nonsense?

I actually like the idea of that scene, but it goes on too long. Could use re-edited.


And ditto on the son magically showing up at the end. WTF?
 

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The Island

Edit the scene with Ewan and Scarlette hanging on the letter outside of the building so they don't fall with the crashed helicopter... that was just too much.

Star Wars PT

Just a couple simple requests since this could easily get out of hand. Replace Samuel Jackson with Morgan Freeman. Replace end duel on AOTC between Yoda and Dooku with Mace and Dooku. Replace Hayden with someone else.


Tombstone

The scene where doc leaves Kate should have been in the theatrical cut.
 
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