[Nathan Ivey]

Hello Everyone,


I am a rookie here but I just wanted to know what digital coax has the warmest most sweet sound? Not sterile and edgy!


Any takers?


Who want's to cast their vote?

 

[Dave928]



i vote for neither. bits is bits...


[hmm, my 1's are a bit bright, but my 0's sound muddy]




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dave


Widescreen DVD - Because a superior format requires superior formatting.

 

[JohnnyG]

I've got a fantastic 6' 75Ohm RG-59 coaxial video cable with gold plated RCA connectors. $2.95.

 

[Nathan Ivey]

Looks like I'm on the wrong forum.


I will go away with my silly beliefs about cables being different.


Anyone who might want to reply remember Bits are Bits. (great information I knew I could count on you two)

 

[Nathan Ivey]

I bet you all have nice receivers to match your cables.


Optimus maybe?

 

[Dave928]



far from it, actually.


my speaker cables and about half of my interconnects are Transparent and they do effect the sound. but that's analog. yes, my 3 digital cables are Transparent also, not because they sound different than other digital cables, but because i bought them before i learned you could use 75 Ohm video cables. my bad...


i don't believe a cable can "color" a digital bitstream, how could it? one's and zero's my friend, not 1.2's and .15's.


the 0's and 1's either get there or they don't and when they do get there can only be converted to one given analog signal. i also don't believe in "jitter".


bits is bits...




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dave


Widescreen DVD - Because a superior format requires superior formatting.

 

[aerialman]

With my meridian 861 I cant discern any difference between radio shack gold coax and the kimber cable I paid too much for. you could say "bits are bits" or you could say thats because of the 861's excellent jitter reduction. your mileage might vary.


- Jerry

 

[migliore]

You might be interested in my review of a couple of digital cables: http://home.att.net/~migliore/reviews/bc_digital.pdf


Bits would be bits if we listened to digital signals. But we don't.


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[Dave928]



"File Not Found"


that's right, we don't listen to digital, so it must be somewhere in the analog path that the signal is being colored. not the digital cable...




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dave


Widescreen DVD - Because a superior format requires superior formatting.

 

[Dennis Erskine]

There are only two possibilities here: either you believe one 75 ohm coax will sound better than another, or it won't.


If you believe digital cables "sound" different, buy the most expensive you can afford. The cable will (a) either *actually* sound better, or (b) you'll *think* it sounds better. In either case, you've improved your system.


If you don't believe cable can color a digital bit stream, buy the most inexpensive quad shielded RG6 (solid copper center conductor) you can find.


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DEsign Cinema Privee
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Imagine what you could do, if you could do all you imagine.

 

[migliore]

Sorry, the link is fixed.


I'd rather leave the techo-mumbo-jumbo out of this discussion (not like we've gone there yet, but have before).


This is the way I feel: Every change in you system makes a difference. The amount of difference depends on the a) listening ability of the auditioner b) the type of change c) the resolution of the system.


I can hear differences, and that's without knowing what I'm listening to (Re: the review).


Rob


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[gages]

I have been working with cables in the computer world for a long time.


In the digital world, either the data gets there or it don't.


As I can get data at over 1Gb/s with almost 0 errors (10 to the -19th I think) from NY to NJ over a piece of single mode fiber, how can it be that a 1 meter coax cable can't deliver with the same precision?


Are we also going to also debate whether there are differences between optical cables?


The issue of jitter is real (in the computer world there is no re clocking issue).


However, in the digital world for the cable to influence sound reprodction would lead me to believe that the equipment is poorly designed / faulty.



Steve


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[Nathan Ivey]

Jerry,


Does your meridian have a 7.1 mode/6.1?

I'm not very familiar with meridian. I know that they use upsampling & that the 861 is modular but not much else.



Woodman,


Thats a pretty convincing argument!

Maybe I should get some nice speakercables instead (MIT?) Transparent/4 how much $

I have heard about impedance matching being important in a Digital Cable. Does this mean that certian digital cables will sound better on certain equipment?

 

[Dave928]



i thought we just went over this...




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dave


Widescreen DVD - Because a superior format requires superior formatting.

 

[Will Binegar]

This is always one of the nastier debates. At some point, it would be nice if we could agree to disagree and just let those who want opinions on the merits of various digital cables have a chance to get them. I'm of the belief that digital cables can sound different, but perhaps to a lesser extent than other types of cable. If the debate must rage, I'll just add that I find it hard to believe that Meridian, Theta, EAD, and others would bother to spend their resources engineerng and building jitter reduction into their pre-pro's if jitter didn't exist or affect performance. Likewise, I don't understand why I need ANY shielding if the digital signal is immune? Do I need to spend more on better shielded cables just to protect the analog signals? If so, wouldn't aluminum foil in a polypropylene cable management tube be much cheaper?


Theses are just musings, and I don't want to make anyone hot under the collar. But if some believe that there are some differences among digital cables, can we allow them to share their opinions? It's a dangerous concept, but what the heck...


Nathan, I've used the Illuminations D-60 and Synergistic Research Digital Reference, and between the two the Synergistic Research seems more likely to meet your criteria.


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[migliore]

What I always wonder is, do the cable-nay-sayers think that all cd transports sound alike, on the same principle - bits are bits?


It seems like there is no debate over whether transports sound different (they do), and I don't see why that doesn't apply to digital cables.


Rob


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[migliore]

I just found a bunch of excellent resources on jitter..

http://www.us-epanorama.net/audio.html


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