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Originally Posted by FHT123 /forum/post/11872278


Ok, quick question. I plan on buying the new Bose V-Series System soon, and I will be putting the subwoofer into a 15 x 15 Living room. On one wall the tv will go, along with L/C/R of the bose system, then on the other side of the room will go the rear L/R. I cannot place the subwoofer in the front of the room by the tv because I do not have a corner to put it in (front door one side, hall way other side). One wall has a love seat on it, another wall has a sofa on it, and the third wall has a bay window on it, thus I am very limited with subwoofer placement. My thought are to place the subwoofer in the rear of the room, under an end table that sits in the corner between the sofa and love seat.


Anyone have any other ideas? Or will the Bose Subwoofer suck back in the corner?

As one of the very few on this forum that likes Bose products the V-Series looks to be very interesting, and Bose is finnaly doing HDMI with 1080p (took em long enough), to bad the price of the V-Series is so high, I would be tempted to get one.

As to your question, the V uses the same set-up speaker wise as a LifeStyle system (which I have owned) the sub/bass modual does NOT have to be placed along a wall or in a corner to be effective.

You can pretty much place it anywhere and it will work just fine, I know this from personal experience with my past LifeStyle systems.

Hope that helps.


Davyo

 

In general, closer to the main speakers is better, afaik. But, like any other bass module/sub, the best location needs to be found/researched.


If you can't place in the best location, then you have to find the least worst acceptable position if you want to get the most you can from it.


Generally, it's recommended to place the sub in your prime listening position, then literally crawl around the room to find where the bass is the strongest. Then, relocate your sub to that location. There may be a couple places where the result is similar so you may have options.


If WAF or other constraints dictate only one possible location, then there is no sense to ponder it further. Just set it up and you get what you get.

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

 



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Originally Posted by FHT123 /forum/post/11872278


Anyone have any other ideas? ?

In the garbage.... (just kidding. I had to do it)

 

I know you are kidding, but not really funny. I didnt ask for any suggestions for other products, I am very content with this one.

 

me too, to be honest. This sounds like a very practical system.


I asked people in another thread if they could recommend anything else that is on par, but nobody has...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920515

 

there is no "system" that really exceeds the bose one, but for what the system costs, you shouldnt be looking for a "HTIB" anyways, you should be piecing together the parts, in which case you can find a better receiver, sub, and speakers...

 



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Originally Posted by cmschmidt /forum/post/11874621


In the garbage.... (just kidding. I had to do it)

You beat me to it


I am moving too slow today

 



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Originally Posted by FHT123 /forum/post/11882573


I know you are kidding, but not really funny. I didnt ask for any suggestions for other products, I am very content with this one.

I personally found it kind of funny

I'm not sure if you know this but Bose is sort of the laughing stock of audio. Not to say you will not be happy with their products, but for the price you can get much, much better. Looking at the price of the v20 and v30 system, you could buy a fairly nice setup without looking at a HTiB solution fairly easily.


Bose isn't something you can expect to find in pro-audio shops. All their money goes into marketing, not R&D. I even read a giant article explaining that their subwoofer can double as a mid-range driver (something a sub shouldn't be able to do). They don't even call them subwoofers - they call them "acoustimas".


I'm not saying you'll be disapointed by their products - you might even love them if you aren't huge into what great speakers can do - all I'm saying is don't drop $2000 on a brand. Spend a few moments looking at what other brands and setups people on this board have and then decide for yourself.

 



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Originally Posted by Logic_BomB /forum/post/11889522


Spend a few moments looking at what other brands and setups people on this board have and then decide for yourself.

Exactly my question..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920515

 



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Originally Posted by Logic_BomB /forum/post/11889522


I personally found it kind of funny

I'm not sure if you know this but Bose is sort of the laughing stock of audio. Not to say you will not be happy with their products, but for the price you can get much, much better. Looking at the price of the v20 and v30 system, you could buy a fairly nice setup without looking at a HTiB solution fairly easily.


Bose isn't something you can expect to find in pro-audio shops. All their money goes into marketing, not R&D. I even read a giant article explaining that their subwoofer can double as a mid-range driver (something a sub shouldn't be able to do). They don't even call them subwoofers - they call them "acoustimas".


I'm not saying you'll be disapointed by their products - you might even love them if you aren't huge into what great speakers can do - all I'm saying is don't drop $2000 on a brand. Spend a few moments looking at what other brands and setups people on this board have and then decide for yourself.

As a long time home theater fanatic, projectors, plasmas, and sound systems of almost every brand, I have to say I still to this day like Bose products very much.

Yea, I have heard and read all the Bose bashng over the years but I really dont care.

They dont publish the wattage of their speakers, big deal, the LIfeStyle systems I have owned in the past I have been very happy with.

The sub/acoustimas can double as a mid driver, cool, I have always like the Bose bass sound, to me its always been very tight and well defined.

Some folks buy Bose products for reasons other than the published wattage or the type of paper they use to make their speakers.

I buy Bose products because they most of the time look very cool.

The small speakers that put out very nice sound (the best sound that can be had by a speaker, no) but great sound just the same.

Their customer service is second to none.

The remotes are great, well laid out and will work thru walls in a different rooms.

And Bose systems are very user friendly to say the least.

I could go on and on about the advantages I have found in Bose products over other products I have owned.

If we are talking sound quality "ONLY" would my pick be Bose, Im not sure on that one, if we are talking HTiB for sound quality only I would perhaps have to go with Onkyo or Yamaha, but then again, I dont buy just for sound quality "ONLY", I weigh in all the other pro and cons of every system and brand I look at.

If someone buys a Bose system that knows about A/V gear it does not mean they are a dumbass, I buy Bose products becasue I like all the other features that alot of other companys dont offer.

Are Bose products overpriced, yes and no, but the same could be said for many other companys sound systems.

Anyhow, I just had to throw in my 2 cents, I do think Bose sometimes gets unfairly slammed.

Also, if I stick up for Bose on AVS (the Bose haters forum) perhaps the Bose Co. will read my post of support and send me a free V-30 system in thanks.

Ohhh,, and my next planed purchase, the Yamaha YSP-4000, cant wait to check out that system,,,, yes, I know about and do buy other products besides Bose.


Davyo

 

totally bro.


I am really impressed with the infrared controllability and room to room expansion from the systems (which is standard), and that is just the start. If the only answer to any bose question is "you can get better sound if you build it yourself for less $$"...


what if I want an all in one system? it would be practical IMO.


I stream all my videos (HD), pictures and music through the xbox 360. The bose system can upscale (to 1080p) and control it, meanin I can change songs on my xbox 360, or ipod in a dock, or channels on my tv if i want with the push of a button on the bose remote while im outside in my spa...


people say marketing, i say practicality.


the connectivity between rooms is great. all the different audio zones can all be controlled from a remote anywhere in your house. If you don't like the sound of other bose speakers well install your own speakers then on the output of the 100w amps.


HDMI, component, svid, composite, Optical audio, RCA audio, coax (assignable) on most inputs. doesnt it just make sense? (not to mention it doesn't look stupid)


I cant see any other manufacturer doing this kinda thing - prove me wrong! I am just as interested as you.

 



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Originally Posted by davyo /forum/post/11892650


As a long time home theater fanatic, projectors, plasmas, and sound systems of almost every brand, I have to say I still to this day like Bose products very much.

Yea, I have heard and read all the Bose bashng over the years but I really dont care.

They dont publish the wattage of their speakers, big deal, the LIfeStyle systems I have owned in the past I have been very happy with.

The sub/acoustimas can double as a mid driver, cool, I have always like the Bose bass sound, to me its always been very tight and well defined.

Some folks buy Bose products for reasons other than the published wattage or the type of paper they use to make their speakers.

I buy Bose products because they most of the time look very cool.

The small speakers that put out very nice sound (the best sound that can be had by a speaker, no) but great sound just the same.

Their customer service is second to none.

The remotes are great, well laid out and will work thru walls in a different rooms.

And Bose systems are very user friendly to say the least.

I could go on and on about the advantages I have found in Bose products over other products I have owned.

If we are talking sound quality "ONLY" would my pick be Bose, Im not sure on that one, if we are talking HTiB for sound quality only I would perhaps have to go with Onkyo or Yamaha, but then again, I dont buy just for sound quality "ONLY", I weigh in all the other pro and cons of every system and brand I look at.

If someone buys a Bose system that knows about A/V gear it does not mean they are a dumbass, I buy Bose products becasue I like all the other features that alot of other companys dont offer.

Are Bose products overpriced, yes and no, but the same could be said for many other companys sound systems.

Anyhow, I just had to throw in my 2 cents, I do think Bose sometimes gets unfairly slammed.

Also, if I stick up for Bose on AVS (the Bose haters forum) perhaps the Bose Co. will read my post of support and send me a free V-30 system in thanks.

Ohhh,, and my next planed purchase, the Yamaha YSP-4000, cant wait to check out that system,,,, yes, I know about and do buy other products besides Bose.


Davyo

Good argument clear and concise. I would also like to say that for the size of the speakers they really do sound great. If the size of the speakers are a factor to your purchase (room, wife, etc) is there anything else out there that sounds better? This is a real question.

 

"I buy Bose products because they most of the time look very cool." This is the Bose customer. The non critical listener who values appearance and convenience above sound quality. Because they are generally purchased by consumers who do not research their feeble performance but merely admire their size and brand name, they are considered overpriced, poor performing speakers. To each his own though.

 



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Originally Posted by porsche951 /forum/post/11934011


[...] The non critical listener who values appearance and convenience above sound quality. Because they are generally purchased by consumers who do not research their feeble performance but merely admire their size and brand name, [...].

Well since you and many other people here do a lot of research is there anything that sounds better and is as small as Bose speakers? If so how much are they? I really do want to know!

 



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Originally Posted by porsche951 /forum/post/11934011


"I buy Bose products because they most of the time look very cool." This is the Bose customer. The non critical listener who values appearance and convenience above sound quality. Because they are generally purchased by consumers who do not research their feeble performance but merely admire their size and brand name, they are considered overpriced, poor performing speakers. To each his own though.

Did you not read anythng else in my post about "ALL" the other reasons I buy Bose products.

Did you not read about all the other audio systems and brands I have owned.

Did you not read the part in my post where I said the best sound quality for a HTIB would probably be an Onkyo or a Yamaha.


You took "one line" out of my very long post to do your Bose bashing.


You say people buy Bose because they dont take the time to research other products and bla bla bla.


To me, I think that most Bose bashers that bash Bose are just sheep that wana feel cool by jumping on the Bose bashing bandwagon.


To each his own.


Davyo

 

Well davyo maybe you can answer my previous question

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Originally Posted by phoenix79 /forum/post/11946407


[...] is there anything that sounds better and is as small as Bose speakers? If so how much are they? I really do want to know!

I'm really curious.

 



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Originally Posted by phoenix79 /forum/post/11951726


Well davyo maybe you can answer my previous question




I'm really curious.

Yea, the Orb's as I recall get pretty good feedback (I have never heard them in person so I cant say much more than that).

Also, the Boston Acustics (did I spell Acustics wrong ?, me thinks so), I have heard the Bostons and remember being fairly impressed.


Those are all the small speakers that come to mind at the moment.


I would post on the speaker forum for best small speakers, Im sure you would get a ton of replys, or do a search, Im sure the subject has been covered more than a few times.


Hope that help a bit.


Davyo

 

Davyo, no one who owns a Bose "lifestyle" system will ever be taken seriously in a discussion about quality audio. I'm a very experienced "audiophile" and not just jumping on the Bose bashing bandwagon; although I agree that some people do climb aboard just to appear knowledgable. Paying thousands of dollars for some little, terrible sounding,cool looking speakers will always, to me, be a "dumbass" move. Having said that, if you enjoy Bose, more power to you. Again, different strokes and all that.

 



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Originally Posted by porsche951 /forum/post/11953515


Davyo, no one who owns a Bose "lifestyle" system will ever be taken seriously in a discussion about quality audio. I'm a very experienced "audiophile" and not just jumping on the Bose bashing bandwagon; although I agree that some people do climb aboard just to appear knowledgable. Paying thousands of dollars for some little, terrible sounding,cool looking speakers will always, to me, be a "dumbass" move. Having said that, if you enjoy Bose, more power to you. Again, different strokes and all that.

Cool, and by the way, I hope my post did not seem or come off as harsh towards you, it was not ment to be.


And to be fair, I will admit that I am not a hardcore audiophile, my main addiction is projectors and plasmas, so I guess Im just an videophile.

A little on my sound backround, for most of my life I have been a working paid musician and even worked on the road mixing sound for live bands and I have spent countless hours in recording studios and in spite of all that I still like Bose.

Perhaps one of the other reasons I like Bose is because of the small speakers, after years of setting up heavey bass and guitar amps and speaker cabs. and PA systems and PA speakers I am so over it.


So yes, I am into form factor and ease of use just as much if not more than sound quality, I just dont think Bose sound as bad as the bashing they get.


Cheers

Davyo

 

Davyo, well said. I'm also a projector fan, and having been a touring musician myself I can understand your preference for smaller speakers. Best of luck to you.

 



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Originally Posted by davyo /forum/post/11951887


Yea, the Orb's as I recall get pretty good feedback (I have never heard them in person so I cant say much more than that).

Also, the Boston Acustics (did I spell Acustics wrong ?, me thinks so), I have heard the Bostons and remember being fairly impressed.


Those are all the small speakers that come to mind at the moment.


I would post on the speaker forum for best small speakers, Im sure you would get a ton of replys, or do a search, Im sure the subject has been covered more than a few times.


Hope that help a bit.


Davyo

How do they compare against bose acoustically and cost wise? From what I understand they aren't HTiB, am I wrong?

 



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Originally Posted by phoenix79 /forum/post/12018377


How do they compare against bose acoustically and cost wise? From what I understand they aren't HTiB, am I wrong?

No, the Orbs are not HTiB.


As to how they sound acoustically I dont know, I do know that they get some good reviews on the speaker forum here at AVS.


Cost wise as I recall they are cheaper than the Bose cubes.


On a side note, I stopped by a Bose store last night and gave a long listen to the new Bose V30 system, to say it sounded and looked impressive would be an understatement. At the store I watched some sceens from various DVD's via a Toshiba A2 HD DVD player. Loud and soft volume levels were great and no distortion at all with the system at a full on cranked volume during heavy action sceens.

All the Bose bashing in the world dont matter to me at all, the V30 was very impressive to say the least.


Davyo

 

What did you comapre the V30 to?

 



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Originally Posted by Bruins29 /forum/post/12023527


What did you comapre the V30 to?

I wasnt really comparing the V30 to anything else, but in the past I have owned more than a few Bose systems, a LifeStyle 18 and a 28 a a few Bose 321's series 1 and series ll, and have also owned Denon and Yamaha 5.1 systems.


I currently own a new Onkyo 5.1 system and a Yamaha YSP-800.


So I guess one could say I was comparing the V30 to what I have owned in the past and currently own now.


Davyo