What is the gamut coverage of some of the best Plasma's? Like Pioneer, Panasonic & others.

% of 709 & P3 & 2020

Interesting question. I don't really know, but I think the Panasonic ZT60 and VT60 specs claimed 98% of DCI (P3).

 

I doubt that but i can check when i have time this weekend. I would be surprised if its over 80%

 

Rec 709 100% or beyond if you oversaturate..

DCI-P3 has more saturated Greens and Reds but there is no content for a Plasma TV with that color space?

 

Rec 709 100% or beyond if you oversaturate..

DCI-P3 has more saturated Greens and Reds but there is no content for a Plasma TV with that color space?

There is. Downscaled to 1080p UHD content with higher color gamut.

 

If you run it in rgb as a monitor it would be relevant. The kuro is a 10 bit panel not sure about the vt. Would be useful for editing if it has a high gamut

 

No,

colors get converted to SDR

I haven an UHD Player. The down conversion to 1080p and SDR color space was implemented from the start.

You really need a 4k display that will display P3 color space.

 

No,

colors get converted to SDR

I haven an UHD Player. The down conversion to 1080p and SDR color space was implemented from the start.

You really need a 4k display that will display P3 color space.

I have a UHD player and quite a few disks. There is definitely downconversion from HDR to SDR -- but not for colorspace. Now, it's true that the plasma likely can't display it fully and accurately, but there are definitely colors I'm seeing that I don't get with regular rec. 709 1080p blu-rays.

 

And nobody knows how this conversion is truly accurate..

You would need reference calibrated Oled vs a Plasma TV with the same UHD material and review it.

That was never done. Nobody cared. Nobody cares now.

Blu-ray SDR looks amazing.

 

you are confusing rec 2100/2020 for p3. Hook the plasma up to a video card. Output rgb. Then you can measure whatever gamut you want with the probe and the software properly set up, just set it to rec 709 or p3 or 2020 whatever you want to measure. They are all rgb standards

 

you are confusing rec 2100/2020 for p3.

Who is confusing it? rec. 2020 is a bigger/wider color space than P3.

 

John hooper seems to say that when you view an sdr display (usually in rec 709 but doesn’t have to be) you can’t “display p3” which is “HDR” (2100.) A plasma certainly can display content in the p3 gamut. The same colors in 709 are also in p3. But not all colors in p3 are in 709. I have an LCD monitor that isn’t 4k or hdr capable which can display 100% 709 and 93-98% p3 depending on which meter you believe (cg277). That display wouldn’t be considered a reference monitor for “HDR” however. If you use a computer to send full rgb to the plasma it will display whatever you send it and you can calibrate it to see how much of the p3 gamut it covers. A good ‘sdr’ display can exceed the 709 gamut

 

The Plasma display is calibrated to Rec 709

The UHD Blu-ray is downscaled to SDR and Rec 709

Yes you will see different color tones because UHD is mastered differently, but your Plasma TV in that picture mode is still displaying Rec 709 colors. There is no P3 picture mode.

For a P3 picture mode you would need to oversaturate Red and Green quite a lot. In theory you could calibrate such a mode. However you still only get Rec 709 color space watching a UHD disc.

Quote: Ultra HD Blu-ray players play all current Blu-ray Disc content. When connected to a current HDTV, the player will output a standard HDTV signal. Ultra HD Blu-ray players will support existing Blu-ray media, as well as provide down conversion and HDR to SDR conversion functionality to match the connected television’s capabilities.

SDR P3 is only used in digital cinema and IMO could have been Blu-ray version 2. A true 1:1 transfer from Cinema colors to Home Media.

 

yes because standards only allow those disc players to display certain content in specific ways.
you can still watch a rec 2020 film if you send the display rgb feed from say a video card or a live camera. if it has good coverage one could even use it to grade which i assume is what op is getting at. you can still view a movie mastered for p3 on it. but all content on a 1080p blu ray will show rec 709. and all uhd discs will convent to 709. doesn't mean you can't display via other outputs. the op is not asking about what uhd and bdr is encoded for. just what type of coverage a plasma might have. you can send it p3 from a difference source that doesn't do a downconversion. i don't know how else to explain it to you.

 

Ok, I will fire up my calibration gear today and I will share results how close I can get to P3 color space

(with my ST60) wich is a stepdown model of VT and ZT

 

Nope, no P3

At 75% saturation it can hit red, but not at 100%

Red and Green are maxed out in color saturation, green loses saturation completely when adjusting the tint..

I did not touch blue, because there is almost no difference vs Rec 709

How is your panel performing Cinema626?

 

I’ll check tonight. My st50 is mounted so I’ll post up a report of my 151 kuro this evening But the point is you can still display media mastered in something other than 709. It just won’t be as accurate as a newer display with a wider gamut. The other poster said he remembers pioneer claiming a high p3 coverage. I doubt it and i’m guessing it’s closer to your report. My samsung monitor which is “HDR” only does 80%

 

Fed my Kuro 150-FD a Dolby Vision P3 D65 signal and ran a 1000 pt profile:

 

This was my old PX80

Cinema mode:

The old Plasma TVs had (per design) oversaturaed colors. Looks almost like P3

Pz80 Review from Vincent that also shows this Green push in P3 direction

Panasonic TH42PZ80 / TH42PZ80B Review

Panasonic TH42PZ80 is the third plasma HDTV from the world’s largest plasma flat screen manufacturer we’ve reviewed in as many months. The Panasonic TH42PZ80 offers true high definition 1920 x 1080 screen resolution over the ...

www.hdtvtest.co.uk

So I think Plasma TVs are capable for P3 color space, it just depends how they are designed/calibrated at the factory.

Maybe VT or ZT can be tuned that way.

Again: Personally SDR 2.0 with P3 colors would have been super nice..

 

So according to colourspace my kuro will hit 99% rec 709 and a pathetic 65% p3 in RGB full 10 bit so not accurate at all. I ripped my copy of cat people in 4k uhd and played it with no downconversion and it just looks dim. but you can watch it. looks crummy. i didn't mess with any of the kuro settings just the same calibration i did 6-7 months ago. My samsung pc monitor which is my daily driver will show 78% p3 in SDR mode so much better than the old plasma.

like you said, if you go in and tweak the brightness and saturation of these panels you could get better numbers i think.

 

So according to colourspace my kuro will hit 99% rec 709 and a pathetic 65% p3 in RGB full 10 bit so not accurate at all. I ripped my copy of cat people in 4k uhd and played it with no downconversion and it just looks dim. but you can watch it. looks crummy. i didn't mess with any of the kuro settings just the same calibration i did 6-7 months ago. My samsung pc monitor which is my daily driver will show 78% p3 in SDR mode so much better than the old plasma.

like you said, if you go in and tweak the brightness and saturation of these panels you could get better numbers i think.

It's the formula ColourSpace uses to calculate gamut coverage that causes the disparity between what one would expect as indicated by a 2D graph and the gamut coverage percentage.

Their formula takes luminance into account and is presumably calculating that the display being measured loses color saturation the brighter it gets, thereby reducing P3 gamut coverage.

My Kuro measured 55% P3 gamut coverage in ColourSpace. Per the 2D graph posted earlier, that number seems low.

The 3D RGB Cube chart looks like this:

That's a lot of empty space according to ColourSpace's gamut coverage calculation.

 

Only Rec709 and sRGB coverage matter for Plasma TVs, no video/movie content was mastered beyond that at the time Plasmas were relevant. Only Plasma Monitors had extended gamuts, but for the purpose of mastering/grading specific content.

 

you contradict yourself in your own post. No 10 bit physical media was available either, but 9th gen kuros are 10 bit native

 

No 10 bit physical media was available either, but 9th gen kuros are 10 bit native

There probably was 10bit content, but not video.

Do you think a 10bit panel improves 8bit content? I'm not sure what content could benefit from 10bit at the time, but movie/video is definitely not one of them.

 

im surprised that this is AVS where all the "experts" ? should be but yet no one has the correct P3 gamut coverage of the 9th Gen Kuros

When you do a 3D LUT calibration on a 9th Gen Kuro you use the native colorspace and that is Colorspace 1.
You use it so the program can "shrink" the color volume down to sRGB to get more exact colors.
with Displaycal you can also see the gamut coverage when the 3D LUT calibration is done.

Pioneer 9th Gen Kuros in Colorspace 1 have 89.8% DCI P3 coverage and 126.8% of sRGB

Colorspace 1= Native Colorspace
Colorspace 2= offset from the Native Colorspace for sRGB

This wide color space only comes in use if you watch photos with the Adobe RGB profile or watch HDR content from a UHD player that can tonemap HDR content on an SDR display such
as the Pansonic UBD820.
Or when you want a real reference image from displaycal and a 3D LUT calibration.

Enjoy your Kuros boys and girls
Glowing phosphor light and pin sharp PWM motion will never come back so you better hold on to them as long as possible.

Today we have non glowing artificial LED light that cuts the visible color spectrum (ultraviolet and infrared) just to save energy and reduce heat.
At the cost of worse light quality.
its the high light quality on the CRTs and also Plasma TVs that creates these natural looking colors.
The light that comes from an Plasma TV contains more visible colors with higher energy compared to todays LED light based TVs.
Thats the major reason why Plasma TVs looks more Natural.

Those amazing natural Skintones on a Plasma TV are there becasue there are colors and energy towards infrared above 700nm in the Color Spectrum
Those last glowing REDs are not there on todays LED TVs.
This creates those dead looking skintones that you see on todays TVs.

some facts to clear things up

 

There are 10 traces from each rgb on the board also hook it up to your graphics card and set custom resolution, 10 bit is there. My 151 will run in 10 bit rgb. 12 bit is oversampling which is why it says 36bit in the corner (12 bits for each, R G B)