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... Regarding sub-$1000 projectors, in my experience, few if any provide horizontal and vertical lens-shift controls, which is why I didn't include them. IMO, these are very important for most installations. Of course, that doesn't mean they don't produce a good image, but if many/most buyers can't place them in exactly the right spot, their picture quality is moot. ...
Scott, thank you! This thread will save me a lot of typing when I try to help those new to front projection seeking advice. But a large percentage of those seeking recommendations in the Under $3,000 forum are asking for sub-$1,000 options, which eliminates all models with substantial lens shift. I think it's important not to ignore their needs and that adding a few of the best sub-$1,000 models to the first post would make AVS Forum appear more friendly to those who lack the budgets for higher-priced models with lens shift.

Whenever I'm suggesting projectors without lens shift to those seeking advice, I always point out that they can compensate for lack of lens shift by getting a fully adjustable mount that allows the projector to be shifted in all directions.
 
Scott, thank you! This thread will save me a lot of typing when I try to help those new to front projection seeking advice. But a large percentage of those seeking recommendations in the Under $3,000 forum are asking for sub-$1,000 options, which eliminates all models with substantial lens shift. I think it's important not to ignore their needs and that adding a few of the best sub-$1,000 models to the first post would make AVS Forum appear more friendly to those who lack the budgets for higher-priced models with lens shift.

Whenever I'm suggesting projectors without lens shift to those seeking advice, I always point out that they can compensate for lack of lens shift by getting a fully adjustable mount that allows the projector to be shifted in all directions.
Agreed, if you can account for the lack of lens shift when installing it's basically a non-issue since you can get an adjustable mount. With single-chip DLP there are lots of great options that require some foresight to match up with the screen, I've done it many times at this point. I also gotta give a shout out to BenQ here, the company makes excellent image quality very affordable.
 
Heat

11. Heat - assuming the shopper knows nothing. These put out a lot of heat, like a hairdryer. In a small room on a hot day a projector is unusable for long periods - free heating in the winter though! I don't suppose they give heat output stats, or that they can do much about it, anyway.
I was hoping the super-hot bulb lamps would've been replaced by cool CoB LED lamps by now - why not!? They last years too.

Also, my Panasonic PTAX200 is only 720p but still gives a great image that real people are in awe of. It has the lens adjusting joystick too (although I don't need to use it - don't these slightly affect the image's perspective though, if you want to be an excessive 'visualphile' about imperceivable things?). It is 10 years old and was probably under $1k then, so to not list everyday people's
 
11. Heat - assuming the shopper knows nothing. These put out a lot of heat, like a hairdryer. ...
The amount of heat a device produces is related to the number of watts it consumes. Hairdryers typically draw a maximum 1,500W-2,000W while projectors typically draw a maximum 250W-350W.

For more perspective, I also currently have a Panasonic PT-AX200U, which is rated at a maximum 290W, and my 60" plasma is rated at a maximum 296W. Both exhaust a relatively small amount of warm air and neither causes any heat problem for me. Even the new supposedly energy efficient OLED TVs have been measured at more than 200W. Most of the watts consumed by all of these devices are converted into heat.

But this is probably a discussion best addressed in its own thread. :)
 
The amount of heat a device produces is related to the number of watts it consumes. Hairdryers typically draw a maximum 1,500W-2,000W while projectors typically draw a maximum 250W-350W.

For more perspective, I also currently have a Panasonic PT-AX200U, which is rated at a maximum 290W, and my 60" plasma is rated at a maximum 296W. Both exhaust a relatively small amount of warm air and neither causes any heat problem for me. Even the new supposedly energy efficient OLED TVs have been measured at more than 200W. Most of the watts consumed by all of these devices are converted into heat.

But this is probably a discussion best addressed in its own thread. :)
I'm not convinced your fan is working, or you're not using it for very long. A flat panel TV is self-cooling by the nature of its shape. A projector is a box with a boiling hot lamp inside - hence a loud fan.
If I hold my hand in front of the vent it will eventually cook my hand (not quite as hot as a hairdryer on full, but still nasty, and a hairdryer blows '10x' faster than a projector fan, which accounts for 10x the wattage?). Trust me, I'm sweating my balls off.
But then, I often use it for 10 hours plus, in a 10' x 10' room, without ventilation - I would open a window, but then the spiders get in, and no one wants that. //\;;/\\
 
Beware the ultra zooms : far away dim, close in a bit brighter.

Glass optics are expensive, coming from the DSLR Nikon Cannon world.
You can buy an inexpensive 70-200mm lens for $300 or a semi-pro for $2000.
The semi-pro beats the consumer version in brightness, edge to edge clarity and detail.

A single purpose 200mm only prime lens absolutely smokes the either of the zooms.
Bright and sharp corner to corner, but it's going to cost you $5000 !

The latest Benq HT5060 DLP is setting a trend and offering multiple lens options at a reasonable price.
Shawn
It's the HT6050, and yes the lenses help it render a sharp, uniform image.
 
Why does Sony 4K projectors use plastic lens for the last component for $15,000 one would expect glass not plastic!
 
Really a very good writeup. I would add a couple of items if you get the chance. But, only a bit.

- This consideration applies only to 2.39:1 screens; if you get a 16:9 screen, you will have to live with black letterbox bars when watching movies.
There are black pillarbox bars with all other content if you have 2.39 screens they will have to live with...
But, masking (using black coverings) on a 2.39 or a 1.78 screen is possible depending on the screen purchased and can help hide any black bars.

- Some high-end projectors use lasers as the light source. They are typically rated to last 20,000 hours or more with very little change in brightness or spectral profile, but the laser light engine typically can't be replaced.
There are some cheaper models (Viewsonic LS820) for just a few thousand dollars now. This is a category to watch as laser systems are very new and should be growing as a category. Most notably, lasers will tend to offer more brightness than UHD or LED models and at the highest end really deliver the most lumens.

- A few expensive projectors use red, green, and blue LEDs as the light source; like lasers, they are rated to last 20,000 hours or more with very little change in brightness or spectral profile, but the LED light engine typically can't be replaced.
Expensive? Entry level LED models with less than 1080p are around $500 for a acceptable model. Full 1080p models are under $1,000. The biggest factor is that they just aren't as bright as their UHP or laser counterparts. But, there are a number of manufacturers getting on the 1080p LED bandwagon. Most notably LG with their PF1500U. Several other big players are in there as well including Vivitek and Acer. More are likely to follow, such as AAXA who have been pushing LED projectors for years.
These $700-$1,000 1080p LED models aren't terribly bright, but can handle a 120" screen in a dark room, and with some light 80" to 100" is perfectly reasonable.

10. Budget & Recommendations

- As mentioned earlier, I strongly recommend getting a projector with horizontal and vertical lens shift, which gives you flexibility in placement. The least-expensive projectors often don't provide lens shift, so in general, I recommend spending at least $1500.
I agree with lens shift, but there are a ton, and I mean a ton, that demand models right at $1,000 or less, and those people really are the ones who want the 'best in category' recommendations, or they will end up with a 2x color wheel Optoma (or worse)

Under/Near $1,000: The BenQ 2050 is the third generation of a proven quality series from BenQ. It improves upon a tested design and is about $800. It's the GO TO entry level model. Their 2150 is a short throw model of the same, perfect if someone needs to stay in front of some duct work. The Epson 2040/2045 is solid. It lacks the contrast of the BenQ, but offers very inexpensive replacement lamps and solid brightness. It's a great all around performer, and because of the LCD tech, no chance of rainbow issues. Recommended as a family room television replacement option for high use due to the cheap lamps. The Epson 3500 is a bit more ($1,300), but has great lens shift and placement flexibility, which some may need in a good LCD model. Finally, the LG PF1500U is a LED/DLP model which delivers 20,000 hours of use with no lamp replacements and 1080p quality. There is plenty of reviews and threads to read about it, and while it's not perfect, it is one of the few with smart applications built in, a small size for easy portability, and enough light for a 100" screen quite nicely.
 
The whole thread is a great read, thanks a lot!

I am fearly new here, so those may be stupid inputs. But wouldn't it make sense to include noise and size? Especially for starters that might want to include a projector into a living room it could matter a lot. Heat has been added, definitively na important mention too in my book.
 
This a great post. I bookmarked it so when my friends say do you know anything about projectors... (Which they know good and well I do) I can just send them this link! I find it interesting however that the PT-AE8000u isn't on this list. Especially if the viewer has a lot of action movies and wants a 2.35:1 screen. I haven't played with BenQ HT4050 or the Sony VPL-HW45ES how do they handle 2.35:1 formats? Does the viewer have to manually zoom it up every time? I don't see Lens Memory listed in their capabilities. So if you're gonna spend $2k on a projector and love action movies the PT-AE8000U ($1799 with rebates) should at least make the list above right?
 
This a great post. I bookmarked it so when my friends say do you know anything about projectors... (Which they know good and well I do) I can just send them this link! I find it interesting however that the PT-AE8000u isn't on this list. Especially if the viewer has a lot of action movies and wants a 2.35:1 screen. I haven't played with BenQ HT4050 or the Sony VPL-HW45ES how do they handle 2.35:1 formats? Does the viewer have to manually zoom it up every time? I don't see Lens Memory listed in their capabilities. So if you're gonna spend $2k on a projector and love action movies the PT-AE8000U ($1799 with rebates) should at least make the list above right?


I would first check out the Epson 5040UB. It's on sale right now for 2.5K and offers A LOT more than the PT-AE8000U
 
I would first check out the Epson 5040UB. It's on sale right now for 2.5K and offers A LOT more than the PT-AE8000U
That one is on the list already. It seems like a nice projector. It's considerably more expensive. I'm just asking Scott's opinion as to why the AE8000u didn't make his list. I mean he named a few. So he was looking for a bit of a range and I feel like the AE8000u should be in there. I have the 4000u and I'm currently saving money for an AE8000U but does he have an opinion that might change my mind? 5040UB finally brought on lens memory. So it does have my attention now.
 
Thanks for the write-up. Many things to consider indeed.

I'm new to this world and site, and working on planning an entertainment room, that is somewhat small 10-11 feet by 14. The idea is to have a screen recessed in the ceiling, to hide the TV when we want to watch a movie or sporting event. With only 7' of room to the where the ceiling will be (older homes were not as big as today), I have narrowed down the screen choices to either 110" or 120". the latter may be covered the entire back wall, which would block speakers, while the 110" would provide more flexibility there, and may be plenty with a 12' viewing distance.

For the projectors, I have been looking primarily at BenQ, due to the good reviews and options, so with needing about 10' for either 110" or 120", I have been thinking about building a shelf into the back wall (2-3 feet wide), about a foot from the ceiling, and above the seats, which would allow me to move the projector freely to address any horizontal shifting needed. I understand I would need to place the projector upside down regardless, is if it were ceiling-mounted, so have to figure out some way to keep it stable while upside down. I could create something simple, or use some rubber stoppers for it to rest on stable. The advantage of using a shelf is the flexibility to move it around, and then the vertical lens shift could be used to make sure the right area of the screen is hit. A possible disadvantage would be that once the shelf is built, there is no adjustment up or down, as with a possible mount. Just entertaining this idea, as finding an appropriate mount, close to the ceiling is not always evident.

I saw you mention that the BenQ HT2050 only had 2.5% shift while their site claims 10%. Same for the HT3050. The HT4050 has 2.5% horizontal and 12.5% vertical. The latter is about twice the cost however of the 2050, so when considering budget, that would cover more than a good set of 5.1 speakers. The HT3050 may be the sweet spot in the middle depending on the improvements it may have over the HT2050. Still doing homework there.
 
I am very new to this, so excuse the question if it appears somewhat naive. Are there any sub-$3000 projectors that do not use a bulb?
 
Firstly thanks Scott for a nice "cheatsheet" on shopping for a projector.

Some things that I would like to add as someone who has been shopping for a projector for a while:


10. Budget & Recommendations
- I would suggest splitting the price category for projectors to one that is up to $1500, and one between $1500-$3000. The range of projectors is too vast to put them under one category and not everyone has the budget to look at projectors that are towards the latter end of the suggested "budget" price range. Also while lens shift is a nice option to have, many past projectors have been developed and have sold successfully without it.

- I would also add the XGIMI H1 as a recommended option for those who are considering a completely digital experience from a 1080p multimedia LED projector at a certain price point. It is an exception projector that warrants attention not only for its performance (exceeding past LED options from LG), but also for the technology that it introduces which I believe is key for things to come.

- While shopping for a projector, consider the costs of converting the target room for a projector including the projector screen, blackout curtains, a mount or shelf for the projector etc. It is a lot more costly than most people think.

- Portability may be an option to some shoppers due to the environment that they work/play in.

8. Lamp, Laser, or LED Illumination?
I have to add that while laser is picking up interests among enthusiasts, it is an incredibly expensive option. Replacements are available under the event of a malfunction, however the cost is extremely high for both lens and lamp replacements. It is a long way away from being considered a viable option for most people right now.
 
I am very new to this, so excuse the question if it appears somewhat naive. Are there any sub-$3000 projectors that do not use a bulb?
I think there are several Laser LED projectors sub-$3000 not sure how many of those are 1080p and higher.
 
Is there a reason you don't want a bulb? Bulbs can be replaced, the LED/laser projectors once the light source fails you have to replace the entire projector.
Let us say I watch about 4 hours of TV a day, 7 days a week, on average (I watch less, but it also assumes the occasional movie marathon day). 4 X 365 = 1460 hours a year. 20,000 / 1460 = 13.6 years.

From what I have read, the laser lasts for about 20,000 hours. A bulb around 2000 and the bulb costs 2-3 hundred dollars. Bulbs also lose a lot of their brightness as they age, but lasers do not. If the bulb costs $200 and lasts for 2000 hours, that means I will change 10 bulbs in the same time frame as one laser - and it will cost me $2000 to change the bulbs.

If I get a 4k laser projector, I will be good for a long time. When the laser does finally go, lets say after 13 years (round down my use), technology will have improved enough for me to justify buying something new anyway. So I will have the same brilliance of picture from day one to year 13 without having to do anything like changing a bulb. :)

At least that is my reasoning. As I said, I am pretty new to all this, so my logic could be completely flawed. If it is, I am more than willing to learn!
 
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