please..no need for 6.1 or 7.1..im only interested in 5.1 as of right now..
could you guys post a list a some good 5.1 surround recievers
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I got a Harman Kardon 525 in perfect shape that only has about 1year of use on it. 7.1, dd-ex, dts-es etc....
I moved up to seperates when I bought a new house, so the HK has been in storage.
The HK sounds fantastic for both movies and music and is a great piece. Xbox gaming is amazing with it as well.
PM me if you are interested.
I moved up to seperates when I bought a new house, so the HK has been in storage.
The HK sounds fantastic for both movies and music and is a great piece. Xbox gaming is amazing with it as well.
PM me if you are interested.
I just checked out your sony speakers.
new plan: Blow your load on the best receiver you can find and just use your sony's. These receivers we've been talking about would grossly underpower those speakers and potentially harm them (unless you only used the receiver on 2 channel).
Otherwise go with the new set-up but maybe leave the floorstanding sony's in storage until you can afford a better receiver.
new plan: Blow your load on the best receiver you can find and just use your sony's. These receivers we've been talking about would grossly underpower those speakers and potentially harm them (unless you only used the receiver on 2 channel).
Otherwise go with the new set-up but maybe leave the floorstanding sony's in storage until you can afford a better receiver.
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ya think so....why?
i thought they was garbage speakers what kind of reciever do you suggest?
| Originally Posted by DANSK I just checked out your sony speakers. new plan: Blow your load on the best receiver you can find and just use your sony's. These receivers we've been talking about would grossly underpower those speakers and potentially harm them (unless you only used the receiver on 2 channel). Otherwise go with the new set-up but maybe leave the floorstanding sony's in storage until you can afford a better receiver. |
ya think so....why?i thought they was garbage speakers what kind of reciever do you suggest?
http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Sony_SSM_F600H
As far as I can tell these are 200 watt speakers. I might be wrong.
The receivers we're talking about are realistically around 75 watts per channel. While having too much power from a receiver will typically make decent speakers sound better at most volumes, grossly underpowering them could permanently damage them.
So, if the speakers are 200 watt peak (for maximum input power), then it wouldn't be completely underpowered as that would mean the RMS (unstrained or average input power) would probably be closer to 150-170 watt. This would still be underpowered but not as badly.
For 150 watt speakers and your price range I'd try to get a receiver closer to 100 watts output power because this could fluctuate closer to RMS output power of the speakers. But be careful because specs can be manipulated to make them seem more powerful than they are.
As far as I can tell these are 200 watt speakers. I might be wrong.
The receivers we're talking about are realistically around 75 watts per channel. While having too much power from a receiver will typically make decent speakers sound better at most volumes, grossly underpowering them could permanently damage them.
So, if the speakers are 200 watt peak (for maximum input power), then it wouldn't be completely underpowered as that would mean the RMS (unstrained or average input power) would probably be closer to 150-170 watt. This would still be underpowered but not as badly.
For 150 watt speakers and your price range I'd try to get a receiver closer to 100 watts output power because this could fluctuate closer to RMS output power of the speakers. But be careful because specs can be manipulated to make them seem more powerful than they are.
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What's the mechanism for damage by "underpowering" them? How is this different from listening to speakers at low volume?
Ozy
| Originally Posted by DANSK http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Sony_SSM_F600H As far as I can tell these are 200 watt speakers. I might be wrong. The receivers we're talking about are realistically around 75 watts per channel. While having too much power from a receiver will typically make decent speakers sound better at most volumes, grossly underpowering them could permanently damage them. So, if the speakers are 200 watt peak (for maximum input power), then it wouldn't be completely underpowered as that would mean the RMS (unstrained or average input power) would probably be closer to 150-170 watt. This would still be underpowered but not as badly. For 150 watt speakers and your price range I'd try to get a receiver closer to 100 watts output power because this could fluctuate closer to RMS output power of the speakers. But be careful because specs can be manipulated to make them seem more powerful than they are. |
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would this work?
Yamaha HTR5890 7.1 Channel DigitalReceiver
| Originally Posted by DANSK http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Sony_SSM_F600H As far as I can tell these are 200 watt speakers. I might be wrong. The receivers we're talking about are realistically around 75 watts per channel. While having too much power from a receiver will typically make decent speakers sound better at most volumes, grossly underpowering them could permanently damage them. So, if the speakers are 200 watt peak (for maximum input power), then it wouldn't be completely underpowered as that would mean the RMS (unstrained or average input power) would probably be closer to 150-170 watt. This would still be underpowered but not as badly. For 150 watt speakers and your price range I'd try to get a receiver closer to 100 watts output power because this could fluctuate closer to RMS output power of the speakers. But be careful because specs can be manipulated to make them seem more powerful than they are. |
Yamaha HTR5890 7.1 Channel DigitalReceiver
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would it sound better if i ran a stand alone amp with?
plus i still need a center speaker and a rear/surround set..not sure how that works
any suggestions^^^
| Originally Posted by DANSK the 5890 is a great receiver. It's RMS power is 110 watts per channel. If your sony speakers are 150 RMS, I think it would sound wonderful. |
plus i still need a center speaker and a rear/surround set..not sure how that works
any suggestions^^^
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Depends how much you're looking to spend.
Considering your budget, you'd probably go for a stereo amp, meaning only 2 channels (two speakers).
Or, if you already have an amp, perhaps you could go for a cheaper receiver with pre-amp inputs.
Otherwise, I think if you had the 5890 or similar, it would sound fine for your purposes. Later you could add an Amp dedicated solely to the front speakers while using the 5890's output for surround, rear, center speakers.
My opinion is that when you have large floor standing speakers and looking to get a receiver and 3 speakers for $400, you'd get much better sound by using the 2 speakers with a better receiver. And you can add the rest later rather than confining yourself with a weak receiver.
I've found that the retailer I suggested earlier will have the best instore deals on speakers. Those R50's are cheap when they're on sale and will give you the best bang for your buck.
| Originally Posted by epicbloodline would it sound better if i ran a stand alone amp with? plus i still need a center speaker and a rear/surround set..not sure how that works any suggestions^^^ |
Considering your budget, you'd probably go for a stereo amp, meaning only 2 channels (two speakers).
Or, if you already have an amp, perhaps you could go for a cheaper receiver with pre-amp inputs.
Otherwise, I think if you had the 5890 or similar, it would sound fine for your purposes. Later you could add an Amp dedicated solely to the front speakers while using the 5890's output for surround, rear, center speakers.
My opinion is that when you have large floor standing speakers and looking to get a receiver and 3 speakers for $400, you'd get much better sound by using the 2 speakers with a better receiver. And you can add the rest later rather than confining yourself with a weak receiver.
I've found that the retailer I suggested earlier will have the best instore deals on speakers. Those R50's are cheap when they're on sale and will give you the best bang for your buck.
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I havew the same Yamaha 5890 driving Infinity Tss-750 and it sounds incredible. Go for Yamaha, probably the best out there IMO
What features do you need besides Dolby Digital and DTS decoding? E.g. Do you need component video switching? Do you need a certain number of inputs of a certain type? Do you need front-panel inputs? etc. etc.
If it's just audio quality that you care about, you should definitely be asking in one of the other forums. If you have specific requirements because you're using it with your gaming system (e.g. has to switch a bunch of different consoles, or has to automatically convert composite video to S-Video), then perhaps folks can offer thoughts here.
If it's just audio quality that you care about, you should definitely be asking in one of the other forums. If you have specific requirements because you're using it with your gaming system (e.g. has to switch a bunch of different consoles, or has to automatically convert composite video to S-Video), then perhaps folks can offer thoughts here.
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I searched the web and the forums and the answer as far as I see it is that it's not "underpowering" the speakers that damages them, but overdriving the underpowered amp, causing distortion, which damages the speakers.
As long as you're not driving the amp to the level of distortion, there should be no problem...exactly like listening to a high power amp at low volume.
Ozy
| Originally Posted by DANSK I think You should search in the receiver and speaker forums for a more detailed explanation. |
As long as you're not driving the amp to the level of distortion, there should be no problem...exactly like listening to a high power amp at low volume.
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You're half right.
Try searching the terms "clipping" or "underpower" for a better explanation.
In a non-technical nutshell, unless you listen to extremely high volumes your receiver should be outputting somewhere between 5 - 10 watts. The extra power from a powerful receiver provides headroom for when whatever you're listening to requires more power. When the receiver doesn't have that extra power and the speakers have the capability to handle much more power, you'll tend to drive the receiver harder than it can take. At this point Clipping can occur and the distortion from this may destroy the speaker's tweeter rather than the voice coil.
Any more detail should really be relegated to one of the audio forums.
| Originally Posted by Ozy666 I searched the web and the forums and the answer as far as I see it is that it's not "underpowering" the speakers that damages them, but overdriving the underpowered amp, causing distortion, which damages the speakers. As long as you're not driving the amp to the level of distortion, there should be no problem...exactly like listening to a high power amp at low volume. Ozy |
Try searching the terms "clipping" or "underpower" for a better explanation.
In a non-technical nutshell, unless you listen to extremely high volumes your receiver should be outputting somewhere between 5 - 10 watts. The extra power from a powerful receiver provides headroom for when whatever you're listening to requires more power. When the receiver doesn't have that extra power and the speakers have the capability to handle much more power, you'll tend to drive the receiver harder than it can take. At this point Clipping can occur and the distortion from this may destroy the speaker's tweeter rather than the voice coil.
Any more detail should really be relegated to one of the audio forums.
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Sure, I just wanted to clear things up a bit here as otherwise people might get the wrong information.
I'm not sure why you said I'm "half right" since you essentially repeated what I said. As long as you don't drive your receiver into distortion (clipping) "underpowering" your speakers won't do anything bad to them.
I'll open up a thread on the speaker forum so we can discuss this in more detail.
Ozy
| Originally Posted by DANSK You're half right. Try searching the terms "clipping" or "underpower" for a better explanation. In a non-technical nutshell, unless you listen to extremely high volumes your receiver should be outputting somewhere between 5 - 10 watts. The extra power from a powerful receiver provides headroom for when whatever you're listening to requires more power. When the receiver doesn't have that extra power and the speakers have the capability to handle much more power, you'll tend to drive the receiver harder than it can take. At this point Clipping can occur and the distortion from this may destroy the speaker's tweeter rather than the voice coil. Any more detail should really be relegated to one of the audio forums. |
I'm not sure why you said I'm "half right" since you essentially repeated what I said. As long as you don't drive your receiver into distortion (clipping) "underpowering" your speakers won't do anything bad to them.
I'll open up a thread on the speaker forum so we can discuss this in more detail.
Ozy
No need for a new thread as I dont think there's anywhere else to go with this.
you're half right because if the speakers weren't capable of so much more than the receiver, this wouldn't happen. as in "Under-powering speakers."
Traditionally it's been far more affordable to buy speakers with higher input power than receivers with higher output power. You'll inevitably have mismatched sound systems with speakers that can be easily blown. This risk is actually far more likely than blowing your speakers from overpowering them.
When dealing with console sound setups the chance of this happening is even greater as sounds vary far more.
you're half right because if the speakers weren't capable of so much more than the receiver, this wouldn't happen. as in "Under-powering speakers."
Traditionally it's been far more affordable to buy speakers with higher input power than receivers with higher output power. You'll inevitably have mismatched sound systems with speakers that can be easily blown. This risk is actually far more likely than blowing your speakers from overpowering them.
When dealing with console sound setups the chance of this happening is even greater as sounds vary far more.
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I recommend going with an Onkyo receiver as well. They are the best receivers for the price. I have the TSXR503 and it offers 7.1 should you want to add more speakers later (I run 6.1 and that rear center channel really adds a lot to the rear image) and it also offers 3 optical inputs. Something you will want if you run a DVD player, Set top box or TV, and a 360.
As far as Home Theater in a box from Onkyo, Onkyo speakers are not that good. While the price for the receiver and speakers comes out to a good deal, you may find yourself disappointed with the quality of their speakers.
As far as Home Theater in a box from Onkyo, Onkyo speakers are not that good. While the price for the receiver and speakers comes out to a good deal, you may find yourself disappointed with the quality of their speakers.
I got a HK 135 for under $300 and have been totally happy with it. For speakers, I ended getting the Wharfedale MovieStar 70+ speaker system (it is a 5.1 setup - 1 center, 4 surrounds, 10 inch sub). I am a big fan of Wharfedale and have always thought that they provide a great product at a reasonable price (they look nice too!). Looking around on the internet I have seen the setup for over $600 in some places, but I was able to snag the set from a local chain (that was getting out of the speaker business) for under $200. I was pretty patient in looking for a system (still may upgrade my receiver) and ended up with a great deal. You may want to check around for some of the lesser known brands (i.e. Wharfedale) because you might find a great deal that others would have passed by. Good luck!
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