[cricket9998]

40gb chips? In 2024? The only tangible differences between this and my 6700 from 2020 is 4 sub outputs and Dirac. Although denon still has audyssey included instead of going with the vastly superior option of dirac, which in my opinion is mandatory if you care about room correction. So add another 500$ to the price tag

Still waiting for the actual next generation of AVRs

 

[imureh]

40gb chips? In 2024? The only tangible differences between this and my 6800 from 2020 is 4 sub outputs and Dirac. Although denon still has audyssey included instead of going with the vastly superior option of dirac, which in my opinion is mandatory if you care about room correction. So add another 500$ to the price tag

Still waiting for the actual next generation of AVRs

You had a 6800 in 2020 and without 4 sub outs?

 

[hary555]

A1H or A10H if its at same price . which I may get..which one to choose

 

[Frank207be]

XLR connectors to avoid risk of ground loops. And gain matching might be more complicated with AVR used as a preamp.

But yes, cost/benefit might not be there for most of the people.

I already have that 'problem' with my A1H: the gain of my Icepower 1200AS2 is only 26dB so my main speakers are 3dB quieter than the center speaker. But the end result still remains very solid with 2x 600W on tap from the power amps. I'd need the 2000AS/2 though as it's gain is 29dB.

None of the D&M models have a ground pin connection. I also removed ground connections from my power amp sockets and I have zero ground loop issues. I also switch off all my amps before disconnecting cables and havent had issues up till now.

IMHO this Denon AVC/R-A10H with it's 15.4 channel processing, pre-outs for every available channel and advanced circuitry/DACs is the perfect AVP with inbuilt amps for Atmos and (rear) surrounds.

 

[Snausy]

40gb chips? In 2024? The only tangible differences between this and my 6800 from 2020 is 4 sub outputs and Dirac. Although denon still has audyssey included instead of going with the vastly superior option of dirac, which in my opinion is mandatory if you care about room correction. So add another 500$ to the price tag

Still waiting for the actual next generation of AVRs

I'm guessing you fat fingered the 8 and meant to put 6700.

 

[cricket9998]

I'm guessing you fat fingered the 8 and meant to put 6700.

Yes sorry meant 6700. It’s a great receiver but 3.5 years later is extremely disappointing to see almost nothing changing and it’s substantially more. Two more sub outs is nice but 99% the same. Sorry, you are not going to hear a difference in those DACs or with any noise reductions. Again, still the same 40gbps chip too.

 

[bigguyca]

Are the new DACs an upgrade to the A1H DACs?

No, likely worse. Why do you believe they might be better?

 

[bigguyca]

I’d be all over this if I didn’t already have an A1H. Glad to see Denon replacing the 8500HA with this. The 6000 series to the A1H is too big of a gap. However, the specs of this are much closer to the A1H while being much closer in price to the 6800. This will cannibalize much of the sales of the A1H

The real cannibalization would seem to be from the Marantz Cinema 30 which has essentially the same list price as the A10H.

 

[bigguyca]

(1) Wow, surprised Denon went with all ESS DACS on this new unit. (2)I thought they went with Texas Instruments DACS on all their models since the AKM fire. Regardless, wouldn't most people needing 13-15 channels use a processor and amps for this kind of set-up/HT?

1) Why do you believe the A10H has all ESS DAC IC's? Your arithmetic appears to be faulty. The A10H evidently has 9-two channel DAC's, that's not enough two-channel DAC IC's.

2) This is incorrect. Denon/Marantz have been using ESS DAC IC's in several products since the AKM fire. The inferior TI DAC IC's are not used in the top Denon/Marantz products.

 

[DeJaVu1127]

1) Why do you believe the A10H has all ESS DAC IC's? Your arithmetic appears to be faulty. The A10H evidently has 9-two channel DAC's, that's not enough two-channel DAC IC's.

2) This is incorrect. Denon/Marantz have been using ESS DAC IC's in several products since the AKM fire. The inferior TI DAC IC's are not used in the top Denon/Marantz products.

Okay. I might be an idiot, but last I checked 9x2 is 18 channels. This is a 13 channel AVR....which means you have 5 left over. Unless you need 13 two channel DAC's to run all 13 channels. I'm not an AVR engineer though, so I might be wrong.

 

[Bghead8che]

No, likely worse. Why do you believe they might be better?

Their press release mentioned a "new DAC array". I have no clue if the DACs area any different, hence the question. We will probably just need to wait to find out.

 

[Snausy]

@DeJaVu1127

"The AVR-A10H can also function as a 15-channel preamplifier, offering flexibility for custom audio setups with its 15 channel pre-outs."

So it has 15 channel preamp outs + 4 discreet sub channels = 19?

 

[DeJaVu1127]

@DeJaVu1127

"The AVR-A10H can also function as a 15-channel preamplifier, offering flexibility for custom audio setups with its 15 channel pre-outs."

So it has 15 channel preamp outs + 4 discreet sub channels = 19?

Okay. I am an idot.....lol. Clearly forgot about that.

 

[ToddDavid]

How long until we can have our cake and eat it too? Tired of this nonsense where we have to choose which pair of speakers to sacrifice- either either Front Wides or the additional pair of heights. Manufacturers can clearly provide 9 bed layer and can do 8 heights, so when the heck do we get the full 9.4.8? 🤷‍♂️ All these incremental half measures suck. I know it’s a Milk the Consumer For As Long As You Can thing but I still have to vent anyways lol.

 

[gencoupe]

Does anyone think the quality of the DACs and/or internal components will set the sound quality apart from the x6800h?
For me, the number of channels and wattage of amps isn't a concern (7.2.4).

 

[klipschfan1]

1) Why do you believe the A10H has all ESS DAC IC's? Your arithmetic appears to be faulty. The A10H evidently has 9-two channel DAC's, that's not enough two-channel DAC IC's.

2) This is incorrect. Denon/Marantz have been using ESS DAC IC's in several products since the AKM fire. The inferior TI DAC IC's are not used in the top Denon/Marantz products.

Because both articles I read about the A10H only mention the ESS DAC's. So which Denon models get the TI DAC's, 6 series and below?

 

[Spizz]

Manual up-

https://manuals.denon.com/AVRA10H/NA/EN/

https://manuals.denon.com/AVRA10H/NA/EN/download.php?filename=/AVRA10H/NA/EN/pdf/AVRA10H_NA_EN.pdf

 

[cricket9998]

How long until we can have our cake and eat it too? Tired of this nonsense where we have to choose which pair of speakers to sacrifice- either either Front Wides or the additional pair of heights. Manufacturers can clearly provide 9 bed layer and can do 8 heights, so when the heck do we get the full 9.4.8? 🤷‍♂️ All these incremental half measures suck. I know it’s a Milk the Consumer For As Long As You Can thing but I still have to vent anyways lol.

They do, with more expensive processors. Trinnov, etc

 

[imureh]

I was about to pull the trigger on an A1H. Is there any reason to get a A1H for a 9.4.4 system over this? I don't see myself going up in speaker count at all, especially not in the time frame where I wouldn't buy a new AVR anyway, so ignore the possibility of 2 extra processing channels. It appears to be using all the same high-quality components, correct? Exciting news.

Besides the extra on board amps the A1H has it also has a longer warranty on it at 5 years vs 3 on this one for what its worth

 

[Wyered1]

Besides the extra on board amps the A1H has it also has a longer warranty on it at 5 years vs 3 on this one for what its worth

I don't think that's true. A1H is 3 years as well. I believe it's a "A Series" classifiction that will determine that type of thing, being one step up on X-series and two above S-series.