6K and extra money for Dirac. Getting crazy.

 

What’s the cost of adding Dirac?

I’d like to upgrade from my Marantz 7702mkII. Maybe I’m way off base, but my feeling has been that Audyssey is basically abandon-ware unchanged for a decade but still what Marantz sticks to. $6k for a processor is spendy for me, but doable if I really wanted. But that depends on the net cost with upgrading past Audyssey.

 

It's anywhere from $250 all the way up to $600 depending on if you want both Bass Control and Room Correction. I'm sure ART will probably be the most expensive when it comes out.

Marantz CINEMA 40 – Dirac

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Surprised the HDMI 2.1 is still 40Gbps. I thought Panasonic Solutions had just started shipping the 48gbps chips.

Dacs and power supply look very similar to the AV10. If it is the same DSP and DACs as the AV10 then seems like a decent discount for losing 2 channels and gaining some legacy video connections.

 

Video just dropped introducing ART to Denon/Marantz

 

"Proberly going to come at end of 2025" A long way off hopefully bug free.
They still have to fix DBC and DLBC for several receivers.

 

"Proberly going to come at end of 2025" A long way off hopefully bug free.
They still have to fix DBC and DLBC for several receivers.

Per memory these aren't Denon/Marantz units so why is this relevant here? I'd rather see the effort put into providing ART and perfecting ART for D/M units.

 

If ART is being introduced with new hardware I wonder if they are not able to implement it on any existing devices. Was hoping my A10H would get it at some point.

Edit - I see the video just says Denon/Marantz and is not hardware specific so hopefully this does become an option for DLBC compatible models.

 

lol why isn’t the amp20 13 channels? Why announce the release of a 13 channel prepro alongside a 12 channel amp? Am I missing something?

 

yes very weird

 

Hey, a $28k WRX Premium a few years ago is now $38k. That's way above inflation. Oh, but now it has Eyesight "standard" so it'll slam on the brakes when it gets confused with reflectors on the highway and has a jumbo laggy 10" vertical screen no one asked for or wanted and has me looking at used vehicles instead of new.... So are we really surprised D&M would jack up their crap as well? Everyone is jacking up their stuff and well, "Covid!"

Covid has been "over" for years now in any real meaning sense of impediment, but hey, it's a convenient LIE for GREED. The problem is they forget Economics 101. As prices go up, sales go down.

 

 

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So much for them only releasing ART for the “top tier” models like you were saying before you completely deleted and edited the post! I think it’s better to wait until we get all of the information before speculating.

Good on them for promising to release it to 3800h owners! That’s one of the reasons why I love denon!!

 

Completely unattractive at those prices imo. You were able to get the AV10/AMP10 for €5k each for months here in Europe. They are a bit more expensive now but you'll probably get them cheaper soon enough again.

 

My first big question. Can you "secretly add" more inputs like you can on the AV10? I forget the exact number, but on the AV10 as it comes, set up only lists like 8 or 9 assignable inputs. But using a special code, you can add like 3, 4 or 5 (again, don't recall) AUX inputs. They aren't remote control directly accessed, but you can get them via scrolling or the front panel wheel.

I actually like the AV20 better for my 7.4.6 desires (right now 7.2.6). Most will find this dumb, but it has 1 more trigger, an extra analog input, and has old school video hooks. Definitely more "full featured" vs the AV10 in my book (less 2 channels I'll never use). If it just had an old school digital output (optical or RCA) it would be nearly perfect.

Its expensive, but cheaper than the 10, which allows some extra cash to get a sweet 2 channel preamp with HT bi-pass for music (the AV10 isn't my cup of tea for music). With the right preamp, I could get the digital output I desire.

Hmmmmmm.......

 

Per memory, at one time you owned an AV 10. Do you still own an AV 10?

 

A grand less per piece than the AV10 and AMP10...gettin' there. I just don't need 12 channels of processing and amplification.

 

I don’t think you’re going to see a separate AVP with fewer than 12 channels of processing at this point. I could be wrong but other than the missing XLRs you’d probably be better off buying a lower tier AVR model with RCA pre-outs or buy the AV20 or AV10 with ability to grow your system.

 

Wow $6k and using obsolete HDMI standard just doesn't seem right to me...

 

are devices with 2.2 even available yet and other than a highend GPU what is going to utilize the higher standard in the forseeable future? I get it. It would be great if it had it but I suspect the replacement for nearly 3yo AV10 will be one of the first to support it in the D&M line. But very few will be utilizing such devices.

 

I guess the pricing reflects the 24% tariffs imposed on Japan.

 

The 8805A retail is $5499. AV20 is $6000. 24% increase would be around $6800. So I guess you guessed wrong

 

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3.5K for 6 channels.

 

Cars went up $10k in the past 5 years, why not AVRs.....

 

Everything has gone up, and seems to continue that way.

 

I’m not seeing any mention of QMS, I would’ve thought the brand new AV20 would’ve implemented this HDMI 2.1b feature?…or maybe I’m overlooking this? Is the new AV20 spec HDMI 2.1/2.1a/2.1b ? As QMS is HDMI 2.1b according to the link below.

HDMI 2.2 Specification Overview

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Is Dirac ART available anywhere in any form yet? That is, are there reviews and comparos to Audyssey and Anthem ARC and other flavors of Direc?

 

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/stormaudio-isr-fusion-20-receiver-review-an-avr-like-no-other.3321491/?post_id=63873523#post-63873523

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/setting-up-dirac-live-art-with-stormaudio-isr-fusion-20-with-great-power-comes-great-responsibility.3321488/?post_id=63873473#post-63873473

 

So as @LCSeminole mentioned, after almost 3 years of the AV10 (and now the 20), the HDMI features haven’t been updated to include QMS or any other 2.1 features (presumably because of the chipset). Doesn’t it seem that it’s been long enough to get a rev on the video?

 

I have specifically asked about “QMS” on several different forums and when told they will get back with me I hear crickets. The interviews by the usual YouTube channels with Phil Jones don’t seem to want to ask about “QMS” though they’ll ask about VRR, Freesync, etc.. My guess is Sound United invested in an initial large amount of the faulty PanasonicSolutions/Nuvoton HDMI 2.1/8K chipsets and needs to use them, otherwise why wouldn’t you use the version b chipset from Nuvoton that has fixed their previous faulty chipset, on the new Marantz AV20 ?

 

its called QMS-VRR now

 

Can you connects Spades to the AMP 20? They look like banana connectors only?

 

Updating my AV20 firmware now, getting it ready for ART. Fingers crossed, but it's been about 25 minutes so far and still going. It's restarted twice so far, but not in a while. Round screen is on 'Wait' with the arrows the entire time. This update is taking much much longer than any previous update. Hoping it's not bricked.

 

@cjeich someone else in another forum just posted the same thing but I think they tried rebooting, unplugging, etc. and nothing is working. They might have bricked their unit so I would suggest you just leave it alone.

 

Oh, well what I did was a factory reset, and am trying again. Started at 12:20P ET. This time it says 'updating' and is progressing. At 21% with 9 minutes to go. I can't be sure, but last time it may have only been on 'wait.' I'll post updates here. Factory reset is a pain because of the setup process, and I will need to load my Dirac settings again once it's done, but as of now the unit does not appear to be bricked.

 

OK, the update completed successfully in just about 5 minutes, less than the estimated 14 minutes... Now to restore my settings.