x.1.x ... got it. 🫨

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This gets posted just about every year.

Bottom line is people want to say how many subs they have for whatever reason. Maybe it's relevant to the topic at hand.... I really don't see the problem with saying 9.2.6. it just means I have two subs.

We all know there's only one discreet channel so you can read into what the 2 or 4 or whatever it is means pretty easily.

Shrugs .....you want to be Joe Friday and go by the book while correcting everyone along the way that's your business.

 

 

Didn't realize there was only 1 Atmos channel.

 

Old habits die hard.

 

Before long, people will start claiming an extra speaker when they use dual centers.

 

I think it sounds cooler to list the .1 channel as multiples to show off how many subs someone has. Although it’s still one channel…. 2 subs in my downstairs set up would be 4.2 then and sound cooler then 4.1!!!!
I still think listing multiple subs is more accurate to describe a system without a long list of Which subs are being used but whatever. So if someone has 10 subs they can Brag about it.

Before long, people will start claiming an extra speaker when they use dual centers.

yeah they might as well add an extra channel in there …. What are they for large theater rooms? Why have two ?

some people are starting to add a sub to multiple base layer channel I’ve seen so the madness continues!!!! Like in a rel review.
It’s still cooler to show off there extra subs has 5.10.4 they would have 10 subs. Best way to explain it…. Even if it’s a single channel.

Are you suggesting they add more sub channels so it’s like stereo or divided by 4?? Or make it Similar to Atmos with 2,4,6???

 

Fine, everyone, with 0 subs I have 5.1.4.

 

You got the order wrong. You wanted x.1.x!

 

Ultimate Facepalm - I did. I was going to editi it, but there was already a comment and I'd already shown my ass, so may as well take the ribbing haha
Turnabout is fair play!

 

No one. No one needs to hear that, and no thanks, I will continue to use the correct way of describing my system.
Before you become everyone's new bossy stepdad, you could at least get the order correct. 😆

 

You are correct but as for mentioned someone so adamant about about being correct you have the order wrong as the last number is the ATMOS channels. I see nothing wrong with people having the habit of using the middle number for the number of subs as the subs cross over to all channels, not only the LFE channel. So the x.1.x is still implied.

 

PSA: there is only x.x.1 - knock it off

I am not sure who needs to hear this, but there’s a good chance it is you.

No matter how complex your system, how advanced your processing power, there exists only 1 discrete LFE channel on any audio mix ever commercially produced. That’s it.

We get it, you have more than one subwoofer, and we are all very impressed. Now please, kindly, stop saying you have a 5.4.4 system. You don’t. There is no 9.4.12, 7.6.28, not even 5.2. It isn’t real.

No matter now many subwoofers you have, there is only 1 channel of sound. That’s it. So please stop.

I know it’s not going to be easy, but you got this.

I know who needs to hear this and it's you:

1. It's x.1.x, not x.x.1. If you're going to lecture people on something, you need to get the basics right.

2. It's easier to say "5.4.4" than "5.1.4 with four subs" and everyone - including you - understands that the former means/implies the latter.

3. I'm going to keep saying 5.2 and you're going to have to live with it. I know it's not going to be easy, but you got this.

 

By that logic if I am listening to something that is 5.1 should I refer to my system as 5.1 no matter how many speakers I have?

There is a difference between the source audio and what your system is capable of. My system has independent sub outs, so each sub is getting a different signal. Lots of people use a MiniDSP or another tool to give each sub an independent signal.

What about front wides? They are essentially made up. What about Atmos? They aren’t even channels really. Since it can handle 128 objects (I think) should it always be x.x.128? But those objects can also effect the bed layer. I’m so confused, please give your guidance.

Anyways, if you’re going to lecture us at least get the post right. I was hoping to come in this thread and see some sick setup with one giant Atmos speaker and nothing else.

The number of subs in a system is often very relevant to the conversation, and putting it in the x.x.x format is a simple way to talk about it. Get over it.

 

A processor with multiple subwoofers calibrates each sub individually. Even if you use something like a miniDSP (or some other form of external DSP), there Is separate setup and sophisticated configuration for each subwoofer.

It sure seems like the most accurate way is to include the number of subwoofers since, except from a raw bed layer channel perspective, they are from every other perspective treated individually.

 

Not completely true. Most AVR's with multi sub outs are able to individually set gain and delay they are still actually EQ'ed as a single sub. True a MiniDSP can EQ each sub separately. Many of the lower end AVR's with two sub's out are just a single split output.

 

While you are correct regarding that there are only one LFE channel for any recording, many user prefer to say 7.2.4 instead of 7.1.4 (two subs) for convenience.

Darth

 

I am not sure who needs to hear this, but there’s a good chance it is you.

No matter how complex your system, how advanced your processing power, there exists only 1 discrete LFE channel on any audio mix ever commercially produced. That’s it.

We get it, you have more than one subwoofer, and we are all very impressed. Now please, kindly, stop saying you have a 5.4.4 system. You don’t. There is no 9.4.12, 7.6.28, not even 5.2. It isn’t real.

No matter now many subwoofers you have, there is only 1 channel of sound. That’s it. So please stop.

I know it’s not going to be easy, but you got this.

While you are correct regarding that there are only one LFE channel for any recording, many user prefer to say 7.2.4 instead of 7.1.4 (two subs) for convenience.

Darth

So basically, x.y.x.

 

And can I add...GET OFF MY LAWN!

 

It’s basically become hobbyist language. Everyone knows the .2 or .4 doesn’t mean two or four independent LFE channels. It just means more than one subwoofer is present. Don't get a stroke over it.
The same goes for folks who feel the urge to call out people when they ask where do I put my "rear speakers" in a 5.1 setup. Yes we are aware there is no rear surround in a 5.1, but it's still a set of speakers that don't go on the front...

 

There is a difference between the source audio and what your system is capable of. My system has independent sub outs, so each sub is getting a different signal. Lots of people use a MiniDSP or another tool to give each sub an independent signal.

It's still only one signal regardless of how the system is calibrated.

What about front wides? They are essentially made up.

Front wide speakers are a recognized configuration and adding them to a 7.1 system makes a 9.1 system.

What we do not do is count speakers wired in parallel or sharing a signal (ie dual centers or dual subs) as 2 in the numbering.

 

Hopefully @newrival reads their own thread and gets with the program. It’s bed-layer-speakers-DOT-subwoofers-DOT-Atmos.

However, I wish there was an agreed upon breakout of “tops” and “height” speakers instead of lumping them together. For example, the graphic in my signature line shows my setup. I have four subs. So, I have 9.4.8, but that “8” is made up of 5 heights and 3 tops.

 

There is a difference between the source audio and what your system is capable of. My system has independent sub outs, so each sub is getting a different signal. Lots of people use a MiniDSP or another tool to give each sub an independent signal.

It's still only one signal regardless of how the system is calibrated.

What about front wides? They are essentially made up.

Front wide speakers are a recognized configuration and adding them to a 7.1 system makes a 9.1 system.

What we do not do is count speakers wired in parallel or sharing a signal (ie dual centers or dual subs) as 2 in the numbering.

The number of subs in a system is often very relevant to the conversation, and putting it in the x.x.x format is a simple way to talk about it.

It's confusing, actually.

The x.x.x is a designation of signal/channel format, not number of playback devices.

Why does the AVR making up new channels to make a system 9.x any different than it using EQ to make two distinct LFE signals? As far as I know there is no content mastered above 7.1.Atmos.

Parallel applies to so few systems it’s not even worth talking about. But if it were me I’d say I have 7.4.6 (with 2 sets of surrounds wired in parallel)

 

Parallel applies to so few systems it’s not even worth talking about. But if it were me I’d say I have 7.4.6 (with 2 sets of surrounds wired in parallel)

Right, for the same reason a dual center system will never be 6.1.

 

It depends if you are talking about the audio signal or your actual system output though.

For speaker signal yes there is only 1 LFE channel, but for system output, you can have many subs and a different signal sent to each with separate EQ etc. So people who are posting like 7.4.4 are saying they have 4 subs that are potentially independently controlled in their system.

 

Precisely. Only one, or maybe two (left lean and right lean) LFE channel(s), but no more. You can still have multiple subwoofers though. Therefore, the proper format would be x.y.x, where x is total channels overall in each category and y is total channels in LFE.

 

Good troll thread topic op! 😂

 

Worked too.

 

Damn it! Suckered again!

 

Can I troll too?

I hate it when people don’t look up the difference between discreet and discrete

 

Voice to text has a way of letting me down like that. Sometimes I catch it before I hit send, sometimes I don't.

Edit: Thanks for the shout out... Thought I had a perfect day going then you showed up...

 

Ho-hum, just another day at the Pedantry Olympics 🤡🤡🤡 a.k.a. an "audiophile" forum.