[SeattleHTGuy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshy /forum/post/0


Any idea why audessy would detect my center channel as small when it's a klipsch RC-64 II ?

Well, that particular speaker ((by the manufacturers own specs is -3 db at 59 Hz). Audyssey is hearing this as a speaker that is not flat to 40 Hz or at least down -3Db at 40 Hz. Audyssey hears your center as small because, well..... it is. Don't feel bad though my B&W HTM3S, which is rated to -3DB at 42 Hz, can't quite hit the Full rating on the 4311. So, I too have a teeny, tiny 62 lb Center. All joking aside, you really want the fronts set to small if you use a sub per Audyssey's recommendation.


Also my mucho bigger 803 S's are sometimes Eq'd as "Small" but most cycles they do make it as Full. Gee 90 lbs and small. My 803S's are jealous of the big boy B&W 800's and don't even start on any discussion regarding Diamonds!! I hate budgets...

 

[Roshy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig /forum/post/21119903


because:


1) Audyssey doesn't care what the paper specs say, it measure the speaker IN YOUR ROOM


2) the "small/large" designation has nothing to do with physical size


3) besides, the RC-64 is only rated to 59Hz


small is the CORRECT setting. no need to get offended

read: http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2009/05/small-vs-large/

It's weird though, my RF-82IIs got rated as large.


Now that I actually look at the specs the floorstanders are rated down to 33. So makes sense. What is the cutoff for being considered large?


Edit:

I actually found it, it says 40Hz. A guide I found that number in said that if you have a subwoofer you should have all speakers set at small, and make sure the crossover is set to 80Hz at minimum

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


and you will likely get better results if you change those to "small" as well, starting with an xover of 80hz...

 

[batpig]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshy /forum/post/21120073


It's weird though, my RF-82IIs got rated as large.


Now that I actually look at the specs the floorstanders are rated down to 33. So makes sense. What is the cutoff for being considered large?

here's the way it works:


1) Audyssey "pings" all the speakers and measures their frequency response


2) Audyssey reports the measured -3dB point to the receiver's internal logic


3) if the speaker can go below 40Hz, it gets set to "large". Otherwise it gets set to "small".


As Chris notes I would manually set the fronts to "small" as well, and let your subwoofer do the dirty work down low.

 

[Roshy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig /forum/post/21120146


here's the way it works:


1) Audyssey "pings" all the speakers and measures their frequency response


2) Audyssey reports the measured -3dB point to the receiver's internal logic


3) if the speaker can go below 40Hz, it gets set to "large". Otherwise it gets set to "small".


As Chris notes I would manually set the fronts to "small" as well, and let your subwoofer do the dirty work down low.

Sounds like the same info I just found in a guide just now, thanks!


My sub doesnt arrive for a couple weeks, so I'll leave the towers as large for now, and switch them to small once it arrives.


Thanks guys, appreciate it!!

Edit, it was your guide too I found searching google, so thanks twice!

 

[Roshy]

Quick quetion now that I read more of your guide batpig. Do you recommend turning dynamic EQ on? it sounds like from your guide that you do.

 

[duc135]



Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermaybe /forum/post/21119789


Hi all:


I can't search the thread on my iphone app, so I'll just ask quick: is the airplay app free now for the 4311? I thought I read so on a techie-site.


I turned on update notifications (I had turned it off because I was sick of seeing the "old" 'update to airplay for a fee' message every time I turned my sys on) and it said an airplay update was "available" but when I clicked it to start the process it read shortly after: "no update available".


So is it free and I'm just missing a step/trick or is there still a cost? My 4311 performed a firmware update just mins before so I think my i-net connection's fine.


Thanks!

James

I believe it is still free. It was free when I did the upgrade. You have to register your 4311 online first before you can upgrade it though. The instructions are online. You will be asked for the MAC address and possibly SN IIRC.

 

[cybrsage]

Any recent news on the replacement for the 4311?

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


doesn't seem to be... 4313 with a higher price tag than the 4311 is the "most current" info i've seen posted anywhere...


edit: not sure what is going to be in it that would cause even a constant upgrader such as myself

to bite though... maybe that audyssey bass containment software... and a few other things (4k scaling maybe)... i can't think of anything i "need/want" that the existing model doesn't have though...

 

[noah katz]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj /forum/post/21120361


not sure what is going to be in it that would cause even a constant upgrader such as myself

to bite though...

I'm interested in DTS Neo:X, for 10.x capability; unlike DSX it doesn't require a center channel in order to have heights and wides.

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


i guess that could have some usefulness to people... although i'm not sure why anyone would go though the effort of setting up heights and wides, yet eschew the center...


but it's entirely possible i'm not "getting the point"...

i live in a 5.1 world, so i'll admit i don't know the details on that...

 

[mastermaybe]



Quote:
Originally Posted by duc135 /forum/post/0



I believe it is still free. It was free when I did the upgrade. You have to register your 4311 online first before you can upgrade it though. The instructions are online. You will be asked for the MAC address and possibly SN IIRC.

beautiful, thanks. I should've figure there was some registration process involved.


James

 

[Mike Garrett]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj /forum/post/21120571


^^^


i guess that could have some usefulness to people... although i'm not sure why anyone would go though the effort of setting up heights and wides, yet eschew the center...


but it's entirely possible i'm not "getting the point"...

i live in a 5.1 world, so i'll admit i don't know the details on that...

My family room is 7.1 with no sound treatments and my dedicated sound treated room is only 5.1. The better room is just too small to go to 7.1 much less height or wide speakers. I do like the 7.1 in the larger room and I could add heights in that room.

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


yea, i'm in that "too small" boat as well... i tried cramming 7 speakers in here, and i just couldn't make it work...


i'm still scratching my head on the "no center" desire though...

i'm sure there's good reasons why people might want to do that, they just aren't popping into my thick head...

as i alluded to, if someone is going to make the effort to do backs and heights and wides, why use a phantom center? like i said, i'm probably just being dense here...

 

[mastermaybe]

^ i dont necessarily think there's a dozen solid reasons laying around (or even one really good one).


One scenario I could think of would be a VERY clean install where all the AV equip was "closeted" and there was a just a panel mounted...and he/she/they simply didn't want the aesthetic abomination of a CC, in-wall or otherwise.


But perhaps Neo X does an overwhemingly convincing job without one...I've heard a few higher end center-less rigs and although they were passable, none of them seemed improved over a typical 5/7 channel array.


But what do I know?

James

 

[noah katz]



Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj /forum/post/21120571


.. although i'm not sure why anyone would go though the effort of setting up heights and wides, yet eschew the center...

One doesn't have anything to do with the other, other than the DSX restriction.


The center is a thorn in my side because the only place to put it is on the floor under the screen, and because I'm contemplating biamping the fronts, requiring me to buy a channel of amp power and XO DSP that I don't need.

 

[SeattleHTGuy]



Quote:
Originally Posted by noah katz /forum/post/0



One doesn't have anything to do with the other, other than the DSX restriction.


The center is a thorn in my side because the only place to put it is on the floor under the screen, and because I'm contemplating biamping the fronts, requiring me to buy a channel of amp power and XO DSP that I don't need.

I can't imagine not having a center. It receives - by far- the most content with practically any 5.1 source. Mine is below the screen and properly directed to my couch. No center - yuck!

 

[ccotenj]

^^^


agreed. and mine is below the screen angled up as well.

 

[SoundofMind]



Quote:
Originally Posted by batpig /forum/post/21119778


is that just bitstream tracks or also multich PCM? from what I remember you do not need the clock info for bitstreaming because receiver is doing all the decoding.

Reasonable theory, especially as the explanations as to how DL4 works particular irt HiDef codecs are complex, at times vague and there have even been contradictory posts about it on some threads


But to answer your question, it's both bitstream and MPCM. If I send PCM the AVR reads Multi Ch In and the AL24 light comes on, but the DL4 indicator still doesn't light.

 

[Mike Garrett]



Quote:
Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy /forum/post/21121716


I can't imagine not having a center. It receives - by far- the most content with practically any 5.1 source. Mine is below the screen and properly directed to my couch. No center - yuck!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj /forum/post/21121735


^^^


agreed. and mine is below the screen angled up as well.

For the prime seat or a pair of seats in the middle of the screen, a phantom center does very well. You will find several people that do this with projector set ups. With the mains placed so that the tweeters are at ear height, the center sounds like it is at ear height. So when sound pans across the screen, it is even and smooth. Personally, I like a center, but I like all three of my front speakers lined up with the tweeters at ear level. I use an acoustically transparent screen so that I can do this.